Why is the 76 jumbo at 6.3 br

[Internationalism]

Penn it with a Panther…Problem solved. The Jumbo certainly does not have over 200mm of armour frontally, so yeah its not that hard penning it with a Panther.

[_Renzo]

@hjnbnb

Ehh the H series debatable, the E series definitely not.

76 Jumbo is definitely superior to the Tiger E.

It’s just that a lot of people have a skill issue in the 76 Jumbo

[dirtyann]

that flanking argument would’ve been valid a few patches ago but now the vast majority of maps are narrow rectangles allowing only frontal engagements.

[Marshall_Aviator]

@fishmonkey

F2, G & H. G & H have way better UFP armour than people realise (better

Ausf. G and later with tracks have over 100mm effective armor. With the exception of the weird angled front-side plates, angling would basically give you tiger armor

[FlipAllTheTables]

@Marshall_Aviator

Ausf. G and later with tracks have over 100mm effective armor.

Track armor is capped at 15 mm maximum RHA equivalent. That means that even with track armor the maximum they achieve is 80 mm at 10 degrees (roughly 82 mm equivalent) + 15 mm, for a total of 97 mm.

@Marshall_Aviator

With the exception of the weird angled front-side plates, angling would basically give you tiger armor

Angling the Tiger works because both the front and the side armor are reasonably thick, which is simply not the case with a Pz.IV.
The Pz.IV has 30 mm of side armor. The thinnest part of the Tiger’s side armor, the lower side behind the tracks, is twice as thick at 60 mm, and the upper sides are at 80 mm.

The extremely weak sides of the Pz.IV means you cannot angle anywhere near as effectively as a Tiger, nor get anywhere near it’s armor values, even a Panther would be better suited for angling as its side armor is 40 mm rather than 30 mm. And all of this is looking at pure thickness, not accounting for the “weird angled front-side plates” which become vulnerable the moment you even slightly angle the tank.

[PercussionCap]

@Internationalism

The Jumbo certainly does not have over 200mm of armour frontally

Above ~300m the Jumbo UFP is completely safe from the Panther unless it is somehow shooting down into it.

@Marshall_Aviator

angling would basically give you tiger armor

You can’t angle because the side is extremely weak. It’s only 30mm and the hull is angled inwards.

[Pavel_The_PIlot]

There is something terribly wrong if you have to resort to flanking with a heavy tank on a regular basis just to not immediately die

[AllNationEnjoyer]

jumbo isnt a real heavy tank, its a medium tank with heavy tank armor

[_Renzo]

^^^This so much. People really should try not to force every vehicle from a class into the same universal playstyle.