I have.
In this game you are allowed to move and aren’t forced to engage the enemy frontally. You don’t even have to move though, if your enemy gives you his side armor himself, because there are other tanks on the battlefield he might have to focus on.
Tiger 2 not only has a huge area of 80mm side armor, it’s turret is shaped in such a way that you can pen its 80mm sides from relatively high angles. Tiger 2 has good armor only frontally, it’s not a T-95.
And a Tiger 1 can do nothing against an unangled Jumbo. An unangled Jumbo can charge at you (with a stabilizer mind you), an angled Tiger can’t (it can in a zig zag I guess lol). Not angling your Jumbo also doesn’t take any game knowledge, it’s like the default way to play.
It’s not even true though, at least for the Tiger H1 and its cupola.
Me when the when the MG port
Jumbo 76 is superior to Tiger 1s. Jumbo 76 wins every time, unless its user is braindead.
The Tiger’s shell is too big to reliably squeeze through. It’s also a tiny weakspot in general, if you get hit there it’s your fault. Arguing which armor is stronger is splitting hairs at this point.
Ehh the H series debatable, the E series definitely not.
Or unless the Tiger is playing to the Tiger’s strengths
AHAHAHA that’s a joke. I laugh at Jumbo 75s in my Tiger because they can do absolutely nothing, while I can do everything. A single shot through their MG port and they’re dead every single time.
There is no point in further discussion if you think that.
I agree.
The 76mm Jumbo is in a tough state because of BR compression, similar to the M26, T-44, and Tiger II P. They either end up as not good enough, or too good, and they can’t be properly balanced at the moment.
Honestly the tiger isn’t too bad as it acts like a medium and dies like a medium. Panther acts more as a heavy as its armour isn’t a cube.
look at the BR of the panzer 4 long guns and compare them to the peers of the BR. near to the same pen as a tiger but facing something as thin as a cromwell. Id say its more than fair that after they are the bane of everyone’s existence for formative BRs in a players learning of the game that they have a bane of their existence (even if this bane is not the monster they perceive it to be)
this HAS to be bait, you can smack 122mm shells through it with miles spare. Or there’s the really easy ricochet off the drive sprocket, sounds hard but its easier than a cupola shot.
the only reason why tigers lose so often is because of what you claim is why jumbos lose. Ive played plenty of Tiger and the jumbo is not a challenge ever. especially as tiger players are rarely very good, too many Wittman documentaries I assume
*3.3, with the M10. And in any case it wouldn’t be balanced for a pair of TDs for which half the reason of their existence was having way more protection than the StuG IIIs offered, to be placed at a BR where they have less protection relative to it.
Not having a turret is a huge limiting factor. Taking out both of its tracks from a safe distance and closing in while it is completely helpless is very easy. It’s a very good tank, but it’s less protected than the Panthers, slower than the Panthers, and easier to disable than the Panthers.
Neither is “nigh invincible”, neither has amazing guns. The Chi-Nu II at the same BR has a far better cannon, can go through both frontally, and gets a turret - all at the expense of armor. But I wouldn’t call it too strong either.
Poor HE filler on the german guns means you require a 2nd or 3rd shot very often, unlike said Chi-Nu II, or the US 75 and 76, or the russian guns.
Just how WT’s BR system works. After playing the 75mm M4s I have very little reason to play germany at that BR anymore. Even the M4A1 I’d say is better.
It’s not an equivalent when it’s better protected and gets a stabilizer, allowing it to easily shoot accurately while moving. It deserves 6.3 if only to get it away from 5.0s.
Volumetric:
The 122 can just go through the UFP anyway.
All of these are worse than the turret neck shot. If you’re playing the Tiger E you can load APCR to hit the gunner optic. All of these weakspots are extremely small, much smaller than the Panther’s turret corners or flat mantlet section.
Muching gun port And im pretty sure there is another weak spot
Jumbo cant do nothing
Penn it with a Panther…Problem solved. The Jumbo certainly does not have over 200mm of armour frontally, so yeah its not that hard penning it with a Panther.
76 Jumbo is definitely superior to the Tiger E.
It’s just that a lot of people have a skill issue in the 76 Jumbo
that flanking argument would’ve been valid a few patches ago but now the vast majority of maps are narrow rectangles allowing only frontal engagements.
Ausf. G and later with tracks have over 100mm effective armor. With the exception of the weird angled front-side plates, angling would basically give you tiger armor
Track armor is capped at 15 mm maximum RHA equivalent. That means that even with track armor the maximum they achieve is 80 mm at 10 degrees (roughly 82 mm equivalent) + 15 mm, for a total of 97 mm.
Angling the Tiger works because both the front and the side armor are reasonably thick, which is simply not the case with a Pz.IV.
The Pz.IV has 30 mm of side armor. The thinnest part of the Tiger’s side armor, the lower side behind the tracks, is twice as thick at 60 mm, and the upper sides are at 80 mm.
The extremely weak sides of the Pz.IV means you cannot angle anywhere near as effectively as a Tiger, nor get anywhere near it’s armor values, even a Panther would be better suited for angling as its side armor is 40 mm rather than 30 mm. And all of this is looking at pure thickness, not accounting for the “weird angled front-side plates” which become vulnerable the moment you even slightly angle the tank.
Above ~300m the Jumbo UFP is completely safe from the Panther unless it is somehow shooting down into it.
You can’t angle because the side is extremely weak. It’s only 30mm and the hull is angled inwards.
There is something terribly wrong if you have to resort to flanking with a heavy tank on a regular basis just to not immediately die
jumbo isnt a real heavy tank, its a medium tank with heavy tank armor
^^^This so much. People really should try not to force every vehicle from a class into the same universal playstyle.