You know you have someone beat when their sentences are becoming increasingly unreadable.
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A LOT less pen if you want to be accurate.
at 500m the
Pz 39 can pen 130/101/47
Shot mk 8 can pen 172/139/59
So the shot mk 8 can pen more at 30-degree angle than the PzGr can pen at 0 degree.
The firefly is better equipped to handle opponents at higher BR. If the Firefly was dropped in BR would there be anything it can’t pen even frontally?
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Hold on…
Your Pz 4, with no stab, can fire on the move.
But the M4, with STAB, has to stop before firing?
WTF?
I think you are confused.
German tanks are very stable. Sure the m4 is slightly more so, but I think the extra penetration counteracts the wobbly-ish-ness of it. I can fire, score a hit, and the pen means I’ll prolly punch through
I think you are a bit confused.
We are talking about 4.0 Germany lineup and someone said something about 4.0 Germany medium tank and later just i pointed that tank is 3.7 not 4.0. Thast all.
I thought all the chaos was about using a 3.7 Medium tank as 4.0 medium tank…might have read something wrong
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Hence why I said Firefly Lite. The gun can frontally pen just about anything it comes across in it’s own BR, with the added benefit of APHE.
I wasn’t stating that they should be around the same BR. I was stating, for comparison in their respective BR’s, they handle very similarly. They can easily pen just about anything they face frontally, with great velocity and lethality at the cost of being glass cannons with “meh” mobility. I was in no way stating that the Firefly should go down. It’s in a perfect area where it can see Tigers in an uptier, Pz.IV H’s in a downtier, and they often see VK 4002’s since those are just .3 higher. I would say that there is zero argument for them to go up or down. Much like I believe that the Pz.IV’s are in a good BR range, as their mobility and armor lend well to that area. They just have the capability to be forced into higher uptiers by good players since the guns still work very well up to 4.3.
I just wonder what this OP’s post is trying to accomplish with this, and if it is just another “Germany suffers, move the Tiger I to 5.0 post,” or if there is more to it than that.
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For being an US main cause i like US vehicles more…when i played Germany i never struggled too much to find weakspots since you get good guns,ammo and overall ok armor that you can play with
Germany its pretty solid overall
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It’s really just the lack of light tanks and CAS capabilities that are missing from it. Germany’s only other issue is that it’s a bit of a one-trick pony. You get great guns for their BR’s, but they’re all either a serviceable medium, a heavy tank, or a casemate that plays like a medium/pseudo-heavy without a turret. Most of their early tanks are not particularly specialized, which is why I ended up just not playing Germany after a while even though it was my starter nation way back when in 2014.
I became a US main after getting back from a few year-long hiatus(lost my Wehrabooism), and then switched to Britain because I liked the Fireflies and they were at in a far more appealing BR range(5.7-6.7 is pure pain thanks to constant uptiers).
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I did seem like you were suggesting they could be the same BR.
If I misread your post I apologize.
And it would indeed be funny seeing the Tiger H at BR 5.0
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All good. Sorry if there was any confusion. I think the F2 and up are still capable at 4.7, but by then it really is heavily pushing the platform mostly due to the sub-par side armor leaving it unable to effectively angle against the threats it would have to face.
Pz IV wouldn’t be angle to angle even at reserve tiers
Not true. Japanese reserve tanks exist xD
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And french reserve that got removed from the game because APCR with 35 pen was just too much. :D
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So true. Thank god new players don’t need to live with the knowledge that France had such powerful reserve tanks.
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In what part of the video did you see superhuman spotting? I don’t think I got a single kill over 300m in that match, and none of my targets were concealed.
A T29 the size of a barn driving broadside in front of you does not require any special knowledge to kill with a long 88. I rarely play in that part of Campania, too, I just went there because it was the only cap and I thought I’d figure it out as I went.
I chose to share that match precisely because it’s on the whole pretty “normal”. You don’t need to be a beaat to emulate it. You can emulate it because the tank is very good.
No, because I couldn’t do what you did in the Ta. But you can absolutely do what I’ve done in that match. And in general the skill ceiling in air is much higher than in ground anyway, at least imho.
I don’t have to watch your videos to know you are aiming and reacting faster, you are better positioned and travel the map from one good position to the other, avoiding death zones 90% of the map is.
All your tactics and success rely on your ability to delete anyone 1 v 1.
Meanwhile a normal player has about 50% chance to win 1 v 1 vs fairly evenly matches vehicle.
If they are outnumbered, the chance drops drastically, because playing 2 v 1 will get you killed way more often than playing 2 consecutive 1 v 1s.
Once again - it’s like me reviewing German 6.0 Air RB teams from some time ago and claiming “it’s fine”, while my success comes from my ability to win several consecutive 1 v 1s and sometimes even 1 vs multiple, and not from my plane being somehow super mega OP.