And go up in BR? because F-4S is already the best 12.0
Aim-9Ls are no better than r60m, which you can see at 11.0 so i don’t see a problem f-4s/j getting them
Yeah inferior in what? That it’s only has 2 SARH missiles and that’s the only inferior part(even thought r24r are better than 7fs)?
No better than R-60M???
You serious pal?
It has significantly better range than R-60/60M.
That is why they sent Bucc S.2B or SHar FRS.1 into 10.7BR while keeping Su-25 on 10.3
A-10A early is also 10.3 with AIM-9L, but it flies worse than Su-25.
If you get AIM-9L on a phantom, it is obvious that it will have higher BR.
If you think giving AIM-9L is no problem because ‘range difference between AIM-9L and R-60M is meaningless because they will flare it anyway’
Then ‘Getting AIM-9L is meaningless because they will flare it anyway’
Then, please send F1C to 11.3 because Magic 2 can be seen at 11.3 by Jaguar IS.
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Mig-23 MLD has a worse radar, worse radar missiles, and barely on-par IR missiles.
All aspect prior to IRCCM only matters against flareless targets.
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It’s not meaningless because they are all-aspect
Also by this logic should we move new swedish F-5A(G) to 12.3-12.7 because it has 4 9Ls?
yeah its totally fine with it facing 11.3s! Get real, joke take.
Yeah, if you think R-60M and AIM-9L are the same.
I don’t know why you ignore range difference but focus on all aspects.
I am telling you that then it will be meaningless to get AIM-9L because it will get flared anyway.
as a hyperbolic take.
Sir, do you think that I really want to buff F1C to 11.3?
and, F-5A(G) has 2. not 4.
How are they not?
Ok? 9Ls don’t show up on a fighter jet until 12.0.* That fighter jet is strictly worse than the F-4S in almost every metric. See the problem?
*After writing this I realize the new F-5A(G) has 9Ls lower but it’s also a F-5A… the rest of the 9L carriers are 12.0+
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My guy how in the world All-aspect 30g r60m are barely on par with rear-aspect 18g aim-9G\H
R-24R are better than f7s and this “worse radar” is far more reliable at locking targets and maintaining that said lock
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because the aim-9g/h are so much better at rear aspect shots that it makes up for the lack of front aspect ability… front aspect is rarely worth exploring with IR missiles to begin with
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G-load isn’t anywhere close to everything.
R-60M is a 1.5km range missile vs the 2.2 of AIM-9G.
R-60M has a no-escape range of 400 meters. AIM-9G’s no escape range is closer to 1km.
R-24Rs have worse range, are fired using a significantly worse radar, and at best on-par maneuverability.
R-24Rs are not and have never been superior to AIM-7Fs, let alone on-par. AIM-7F was THE MOST powercreep War Thunder ever saw in a single missile addition.
how in the world long-ranged all-aspect AIM-9L are barely on par with short-ranged R-60M.
:|
R24R is way more reliable and faster than aim7f that loves changing it’s direction to nowhere instead of the locked enemy, and this “much worse radar” somehow is able to lock better and keep said lock better and also has IRST and it’s fired using a better platform overall
Being able to front/side-aspect from 1.5km>trying to get in the rear-aspect using f4j
being able to fire front-aspect>rear-aspect only simple as
Reliability is launch parameters, and claiming a radar missile is more reliable is admitting you fail to understand the launch parameters of other missiles.
You know how many AIM-7s have changed direction on me? None, because I exclusively launch them within their launch parameters.
Sikret knowledge that only you know okay, understandable have a great night in your la-la land
Secret knowledge? Fighter pilots as well as us video game players have been extremely open about missile launch parameters.
There are hundreds of videos online from fighter pilots speaking, to DCS players, to War Thunder players all talking about launch parameters.
You should probably start using more modes of the radar than just HDN PD… the radar of the mig 23 is worse. Specially since the only lock down mode is capped at 1500m and quite often you wont be able to look enemies to begin at those altitudes since you need to stay above them. And at high atitude where the CW does all the job it is not different than using the SRC mode of the f4j/s or even the non LD/SD radar like on the f8f or an f4e for example.
it doesn’t matter in most cases at all. for Christ’s sake.
For example,
Jaguar IS has a pair of R.550 magic 2, which is one of the top-notch IR missiles in this game.
it has IRCCM
it has 35G
with All-aspect seeker. fancy. init?
But, if you lock the enemy in your front, shoot it because you trust your IRCCM.
Enemy will just flare it with one or two pops of flare.
Yes. being all-aspect is a fancy feature.
But if you claim AIM-9L and R-60M are ‘same missile’ because of that.
While ignores all of the difference between the other features
It is one of the worst takes I’ve ever seen in this forum.
You claimed that I should stop calling you US main because you disagree with me. right?
After all this charade, I think I need to change my mind.
You are no different than ‘bad US main’ who don’t care about balancing but only want to bias and buff US plane.
You want to buff F-4J because it acts worse than F-4S
(it is not enough in this current compressed situation)
And bringing features of MiG-23ML as only example for support your claim
while ignoring all other planes in 8 another nation, which makes you look like obsessed with soviet.
I explained why your claim is wrong, but you don’t listen to every single thing, but want buff on F-4J.
I am terribly sorry but it seems arguing with you further might be a waste of time because things are circling like a merry-go-round.
Enjoy this lovely moonlight at dawn and have a nice day sir.
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