In the current compression, which F-16A sits 12.3 and F-15A sits 13.0
It is not enough to send F-4J down to 11.7.
Decompress and send F-4S up with few fancy upgrade fits better.
If not go to 11.7 at least maybe gaijin should give f-4j/s aim-9L so they have at least something
should get BOL like it had IRL
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its still allows to pull tons of extra aoa compared to it and its premium so yeah
The F-4J without them, has a top speed/drag advantage. But yeah on average the slats might be more useful, although they only allow the F-4S to turn better at the cost of energy retention, but sustained turn rates are similar.
100%
I’d rather face a full team of F-16A than a team full of F1C or Mig23 MLD. Decompression is needed but not because of the F-16A
4x 9L will be a bit overkill
when F-104S.ASA(which is quite much overrated in f-ed up level, thanks to base bombing capability) has 4x 9L but flies way worse than F-4 series.
Ehhh I understand that F-4J suffers too much uptier.
AIM-9G is ass when F-16s or MiG-29 seems flying like UFO, while piloting F-4.
But it is not an exclusive problem of F-4J/S, rather every plane in 11.0-12.0’s problem.
Please, don’t focus on MiG-23ML as only counterpart and watch wider.
As you know. In this game, there are 8 more nations and US/USSR.
Naaaahh don’t bring ‘because it is a premium vehicle’ when balancing vehicle in BR.
It will damage your claim.
it sounds more like
‘A6M2(US) and A6M2(CHN) need to be 4.0 because it is premium, compared to A6M2(IJN)’
‘netting more reward’ shouldn’t affect when balancing about BR.
If we consider ‘more reward due to premium status’
[Talisman] should change name to [Instant +0.3BR nerf button]
F-4S might act better than F-4J due to the existence of the leading edge slat.
But decompressing is a prerequisite to make a gap between F-4J and F-4S.
In the current situation, which is heavily compressed.
Existence of the leading edge slat isn’t enough for either way of buff or nerf.
Well the 23 MLD is inferior to F-4J, so there’s a reason it’ll stay a lower BR.
@flat_Lander1
Sure, F-4J can get AIM-9Ls and moved to 12.7 with the F-14A. [Not my actual preference.]
F-4S is the current strongest 12.0 in the game bud
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And go up in BR? because F-4S is already the best 12.0
Aim-9Ls are no better than r60m, which you can see at 11.0 so i don’t see a problem f-4s/j getting them
Yeah inferior in what? That it’s only has 2 SARH missiles and that’s the only inferior part(even thought r24r are better than 7fs)?
No better than R-60M???
You serious pal?
It has significantly better range than R-60/60M.
That is why they sent Bucc S.2B or SHar FRS.1 into 10.7BR while keeping Su-25 on 10.3
A-10A early is also 10.3 with AIM-9L, but it flies worse than Su-25.
If you get AIM-9L on a phantom, it is obvious that it will have higher BR.
If you think giving AIM-9L is no problem because ‘range difference between AIM-9L and R-60M is meaningless because they will flare it anyway’
Then ‘Getting AIM-9L is meaningless because they will flare it anyway’
Then, please send F1C to 11.3 because Magic 2 can be seen at 11.3 by Jaguar IS.
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Mig-23 MLD has a worse radar, worse radar missiles, and barely on-par IR missiles.
All aspect prior to IRCCM only matters against flareless targets.
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It’s not meaningless because they are all-aspect
Also by this logic should we move new swedish F-5A(G) to 12.3-12.7 because it has 4 9Ls?
yeah its totally fine with it facing 11.3s! Get real, joke take.
Yeah, if you think R-60M and AIM-9L are the same.
I don’t know why you ignore range difference but focus on all aspects.
I am telling you that then it will be meaningless to get AIM-9L because it will get flared anyway.
as a hyperbolic take.
Sir, do you think that I really want to buff F1C to 11.3?
and, F-5A(G) has 2. not 4.
How are they not?
Ok? 9Ls don’t show up on a fighter jet until 12.0.* That fighter jet is strictly worse than the F-4S in almost every metric. See the problem?
*After writing this I realize the new F-5A(G) has 9Ls lower but it’s also a F-5A… the rest of the 9L carriers are 12.0+
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My guy how in the world All-aspect 30g r60m are barely on par with rear-aspect 18g aim-9G\H
R-24R are better than f7s and this “worse radar” is far more reliable at locking targets and maintaining that said lock
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because the aim-9g/h are so much better at rear aspect shots that it makes up for the lack of front aspect ability… front aspect is rarely worth exploring with IR missiles to begin with
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