what about AIM-7P?
Yep, I always forget it gets both LCMs and slightly more than the average which is 60.
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I am speaking before the upcoming update, I don’t really know where 7P would sit besides being better than 7F/7M
Looking at SARH overall (at all BRs) I’d probably place it joint second with the R-27R. Still will be much weaker than the R-27ER. But the IOG will place it above basically all others. It will outrange R-24Rs under most conditions.
sparrows outrange the r27r by quite a fair amount but the r27r is better up close, imo sparrow is still better but ur entitled to ur opinion
doesn’t really matter does it, r27r is better because iog+accel
Sure, theses are all good points, but that doesn’t warrant lowering the F4J As OP said, rather increasing MLD
gaijin disagrees, as per the addition of the ER (if you don’t know the story)
them adding r27er does not mean they thought r27r was the issue
as it seems aim7p would be better than aim7m, worse than ER, it has the IOG+DL of the r27 with the kinetic performance of a sparrow
But that is kind of the point. If we consider the Mig-23MLD and F-4J overall equal. It could. Especially with the current compression of those above it (F-15A, Su-27, F-18, Mig-29, F-16s and the ARH slingers at 13.0) Fighting any of those is extremely onesides.
Yes, its a compression issue, yes moving the F-4Js (US & UK) down 0.3 might cause some issues in downtiers, but I think it wouldn’t be too bad. I cant think of any 10.7s that would especially struggle.
no they simply thought that r27r was underperforming in relation to the sparrow
They didn’t bud. The MiG-29 specifically was considered “too strong” in regards to it having R73s on dev. They removed them before live. They then found the MiG-29 was too weak OVERALL (read: not the R-27R specifically) and decided to buff it by giving it the R-27ER
they’re not equal though, especially the f4s being an f4j with slats, mig23 doesn’t have a proper pulse Doppler unlike f4, also f4 carries WAY more radar missiles (better ones too) so I don’t see why it should be 11.7, it’s fine as is
7F is worse than R-24R.
I dont think the F-4S should move, only the F-4Js could move (UK one probably needs to move more than the US one though as its weaker still)
It’s MTI mode has issues, but isnt unusable and as @hjnbnb pointed out, IRST + R-24Ts is probably more effective
It does, but 4x rear-aspect + 4x SARH or 6x SARH (I dont know the exact weapons config options on the US F-4s) about matches the 4x All-aspect + 2x SARH
R-24Rs are the best SARH below 12.0 by quite a margin due to the IOG and great acceleration. Only real weakness is that they struggle at longer ranges. Which is where Skyflash DF and Aim-7Fs need to be used in a BVR joust otherwise R-24R holds all the cards.
Its not until R-27R, R-27ERs and Aim-7Ps that they are truly beaten. Skyflash STs and Aim-7Ms might be slightly better, but that IOG cant be underrated when used right
F-4J = Mig-23MLD imo
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This is just a 7E2
Then F-4S pretty much is as well, they only differ by AoA ability
The Agile eagle imo does push it above the other F-4s and Probably the Mig-23s enough to warrant being 0,3 higher, though probably shouldnt be 12.0 to avoid the the things it see in a full uptier. Also premium + napalm is a powerful grinder tool
doesnt have AE, that is specifically and only for the F-4E/F, but it does have slats yes
It doesn’t when you consider the compression the game exists under.