HP/T doesn’t mean mobility.
HSTVL gets to 60 & 70kph in half the time 2S38 does.
HSTVL’s minimum zoom is not 8x, and 2S38’s is not 9.4.
When do you expect to frag 27 tanks in one match in one life with HSTVL? Or even 14 for that matter…
And no, 2S38 is vastly inferior to HSTVL no matter what Russia says.
No one said you weren’t Canadian; your post’s defending of inferior Russian equipment was the only thing said.
HSTV-L has the 26 rounds because of an mechanical limitation, it can’t carry more than that, but regardless, the 76 mm autocannon performance is far better than the 57 mm autocannon.
You see, some of the maps in War Thunder require having smaller size, the only problem I find with the HSTV-L is the “I don’t want to penetrate that place that should’ve penned.” then at the end I find myself using more than two rounds per target.
Comparing the 2S38 to the HSTV-L is: 2S38 can overwhelm the enemy with constant firerate while the HSTV-L can engage with more ease closer to the target due to the vertical limits, traverse control’s speed and general mobility.
In the case of the 2S38 you trade being the true Jack-of-all-trades with the size and armor.
Why? Because money, that’s why.
do you mind checking ingame stats or u lying here?
bro what??? when did i said i expected to frag 27 tanks bro PLEASE point it out
146 rounds mean you can kill more tanks, NOT “i have 146 apfsds i can kill 146 tanks”
it takes 2-4 rounds to kill a T-xx, 1 if ammo, leopard leclerc type 10 you need atleas 2-4 rounds
for 2s38 you kill a target slightly faster due to faster reload, and you can kill more
i ran out of apfsds on hstvl alot of the time
If you die to a 2s38 in a heli its because you are just hitting the hover key and sitting still like an idiot. Even just a bit of movement is going to make you immune to it at 5km+. Helis need to get nerfed into the ground, most spaa cant do anything to them until like 10.3+.
Compared to the hstvl it has worse everything except what thermals and fire rate? It has twice the profile and less than a 1/3rd of the gun depression which severly limits the places you can play it. If there is even a slight incline the 2s38 cant pull the gun down to fire so you have to find goofy spots to play hull down instead of literally any hill like hstvl can use.
I dont understand why people dont factor in gun depression into how powerful a vehicle is, if there was a bug that made every nato tank have 4-6 degrees of depression like russian vehicles people would burn down the forums saying the game is unplayable for them.
not to butt in the debate but why does the 2s38 not show a transmission in the xray
yeah… i see why people tell me to not argue with u
i will proceed to, NOT talk to you in this thread, or ever since talking to u is basically mission impossible, and even mission impossible is possible, u? hell no
It is also important that hstv l does not penetrate the T-80 and T-90 in the side and in the gun mantlet. You can make a mistake shooting at the side of the T-80, this mistake will send you to the hangar.
With 26 rounds I can frag 13 tanks in a ground match, I don’t expect to, but I can.
In reality, I haven’t even used 14 rounds in any match yet because my max frags was 6 where I used 13 rounds; and one was a helicopter shot down with the APFSDS round, no LRF.
I haven’t even used 30 rounds in the 2S38 in any match, not even the nearly nuke match when it was 9.7.
If 2S38 was unironically OP then it’s mobility and gun would be better for one, and my KDR in it would be better than the Begleitpanzer, HSTVL, and VCC-80/60 to show indication that it’s potentially OP like I have with the Jagdpanzer IV vs other casemates, KV-1E vs other heavy tanks, and M4A2 vs other medium tanks. You’d also have 2S38 as your highest KDR auto-light by at least 50%.
In reality, the 2S38 is currently about correct for its BR even if I wouldn’t mind 2S38 being 10.7, though that’s primarily if Strf 9040C doesn’t go down.
And if you’re running out of ammo in any tank, I’d suggest managing shots better.
Also if you get upset at people providing evidence on why tanks are superior, I’d suggest calming down.
If you think the 2S38 is so OP, go buy it and prove it.
You know what I did when I said KV-1E and Jagdpanzer IV were OP?
1- I had the cross-analysis prepped.
And 2- I had the stats to back the claims up if anyone decided to look at the statcard.
@Demokrat4
I’ve had zero issues penning the ~dozen T-80s and T-90s from the side in my HSTVL so far, they usually die in one hit due to the ammo present.
I still need to research the stalinium breach cover and side skirts so I cant speak on this.
Think the only downside’s to the 2s38 is it’s gun depression, size, and top speed. (Speed being the main problem)
Other then that, it would perform bout the same as the hstvl.
so it should probably be -0.3 to bout -0.7 below the hstvl if anything if were comparing capabilities.
honestly its too good for its own BR, up 10.7 would be better
decompression would certainly help but until then 10.7
Gaijin logic 2s38 on 10.3 while the namers are on 11.0/3 and hstvl is 11.7
And TBF, We are comparing a spaag (2s38) with a light tank.
The spaag being able to destroy even heavy tanks from the side with either apfsds or aphe and destroy any aircraft with proxy fuse, It’s about in line with the italian otto except for radar.
Namer has spike
end of discussion
which is why moving up wouldnt hurt it
since its excellent at killing tanks
No like fr it so op cuz ot has 4 unrelible missile
Just ignore its massive cons (light tank with no mobility wth)
And btw freccia with 10 spikes is on 10.7 so i dont buying this
Gaijin admitted that the 2S38 was OP when they introduced the extra modules, this tank was the entire reason for that change
unreliable?
man it quadruple kill my entire lineups, it deserve to suffer
Is it the normal spike’s or the spike2’s?