you can get a cell phone and install a translator, scan the words and it will translate german into english.
I don’t.
I own the Dutch Leopard 2 manual, I’m not particularly great with German.
That’s the manner in which it is described, it familiarizes the crew with the operating procedures of the mechanisms, and to some degree in how it works mechanically.
It also dedicates a lot of text to troubleshooting and what to do in case of malfunctions, and for that you need to know how it operates under normal conditions.
Unfortunately a lot of nuance and meaning is lost with computer translation, especially combined with how OCR isn’t so great especially with old scanned documents.
I wonder what detail, for comparison’s sake, is in the manual of a M1128 MGS or other contemporary modern NATO autoloaders. I wonder if they include cyclograms and other very specific information about the exact function and parameters of their autoloaders.
Since there’s all these stereotypes floating around, I’m less interested in stereotypes and more interested in the actual state of affairs. Hence a Leopard 2 manual compared to East German T-72 manual. Doubtless some reports were written during the reunification to make some comparisons, like how MiG-29 and R-73 were tested.
Putting the M1 Abrams/KVT at 10.7 simply because it got M833 is just so ridiculous, M833 doesn’t even punch past 400mm of pen, and extra 20mm of pen isnt going to justify a BR bump in anyway.
Germany gets a 120mm cannon with DM23, 410mm of pen at a flat angle. But ‘god forbid’ USA from getting a decent round since 10.3 USA constantly gets up-tiered to 11.0-11.3 we just simply can’t have them being able to defend themselves.
M774 is such a weird round it can’t even pen through most things and the spalling is so bad it’s almost hilarious, I’ve seen M774 bounce around in a tank like a ping pong ball doing absolutely 0 damage and 40% of the time you get some weird bounce or non pen even on blatant weak-spots, on-top of that it can’t even knock breeches out or barrels even on a direct hit. I’m having more luck using HEAT than APFSDS and that speaks volumes at how awful this round is.
If we dont get better balancing and M1 Abrams/KVT is still being uptiered to 11.0-11.3, it needs a better round.
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The M1 is and always has been one of the strongest MBTs present at it’s Battle Rating.
Any buff is likely going to result in a BR increase given that Gaijin only cares about statistics, and the statistics for the M1 are already outstanding.
The Leopard 2A4 has worse firepower than the Abrams, but you’re still not satisfied?
20% faster reload rate on the M1 for only 11% worse penetration. I’ll take the reload advantage any day of the week given that both tanks have to aim for the same weakspots.
The M1 is doing quite well for itself by any metric you want to use.
It’s got a global 2.1 K/D and 2.4 K/M ratio, personally I’ve got a 6.5 K/D and 3.0 K/M ratio, even when comparing the vehicle’s capabilities it comes out on top:
how are those excuses? those are the major issues of the T series tanks
Well you got your wish, since you thought the M1 was so good, M1 Abrams got bumped to 10.7, and now gets to face 11.3 vehicles. That 105mm with 372mm of pen gonna work wonders for you now.
At least RUs 10.3 didnt get bumped, so you’ll always have a fall back nation that’s even easier than the M1 at 11.3
Everything else around it went up too, so the 11.0 tanks it faced are now the 11.3 tanks it faces.
It did get bumped up.
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Nope.
2S38s didnt get bumped,
T-72 Turms didnt get bumped
Strela didnt get bumped
T-80UD didnt get bumped
BMP2 didnt get bumped
Su-25K didnt get bumped
The only things that got bumped to 10.7 were Obj 292, T-72 Moderna and 2S6.
And the 292 should have been bumped to 11.3 at the very least, same with Moderna since its damage model is broken, and 2S6 would have been fine at 10.3
Those went from 10.0 to 10.3.
Went up in arcade, but it’s arguably fine where it is.
Both went fron 10.0 to 10.3.
Why does it need to?
I don’t believe that it would be viable above 11.0.
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Obj 292 with 695mm of pen is better than even the 2A7’s DM53 at 652mm of pen bud, it absolutely deserves to be at 11.3 or higher along with other top tier rounds.
10.0 to 10.3 BR bump changes nothing lmao thats why i said it didn’t get bumped
10.3 to a 10.7 change is significant facing 11.3-11.7 is a big change.
Yeah, but it has a bad platform, awful gun handling, a 10 second reload, no MG, no smoke grenades, and poor survivability.
They are equivalent changes because nearly all 10.0+ tanks were moved up by 0.3. The only difference for the Abrams is that it no longer faces 9.3 tanks.
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It has the same survivability (coded buffs) as any other T Series tank. And 10 second reload doesn’t justify a low BR, if that was the case then the Tiger 2 105 should be dropped to 6.0, by your logic, because ‘long reload’
No the only nations that were actually moved up a BR bracket were NATO nations, the difference is they now face 11.3-7 tanks and doesn’t see ‘10.3 only matches’ like it used to when it was actually balanced with the rare chance of a 9.7 down tier, while Russia still gets to face 9.7 matches because a +0.3 BR increase doesn’t compress it upward, like a 0.7 does
0.7 BRs compress up
0.3 BRs compress down
Strawman argument, try again.
Almost every single tank above 9.7 was moved up by 0.3. 10.3 (now 10.7) tanks don’t face any new enemies.
Technically did already.
10.3 to 10.7 br bump changes nothing too… The entire TTGRB ceiling was raised to 12.0, so the only difference is that it no longer faces 9.3s that are effectively helpless against it.
It already faced 11.3s, now at worst it’s facing the T-72B3… Which it faced before.
It never faced T-72B3s before if at all very very rarely, and rarely faced T80s and T90As. Now that’s all well be fighting. Which isnt remotely fair with M774 as it had a hard time at 10.3 as it is. Leo 2AV 105mm is still 10.0 and it has a better APFSDS.
War Thunder isnt beating Bias allegations after this last BR change. If they didn’t hate USA back then, they sure do show it now.
The T-72B3 was 11.3. The M1 Abrams was 10.3.
The T-72B3 is now 11.7. The M1 Abrams is now 10.7.
The T-90A was 10.7. The M1 Abrams was 10.3.
The T-90A is now 11.0. The M1 Abrams is now 10.7.
The T-80B was 10.0. The M1 Abrams was 10.3.
The T-80B is now 10.7. The M1 Abrams is now 10.7.
The T-80U was 11.0. The M1 Abrams was 10.3.
The T-80U is now 11.7. The M1 Abrams is now 10.7.
It doesn’t take half a brain cell to remember this, let alone check it. It makes me wonder what makes it so hard for you to do.
The Leopard 2AV was moved up to 10.0, and has DM33 (the earliest this round can be found is 9.0).
DM33
M774
Only slightly better, and that’s because DM33 itself has a far thicker subpenetrator (7mm thicker than M774)
What?
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Gaijin doesn’t hate the USA, just look at their air tree.
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Just like the other topic. M833 won’t change what M1 Abrams+ M774 can do or can’t do.
With M774 bug report being accept (flat pen would get below 350mm and angle pen lower) M833 will be a good replacement for M774 and make sure that M1 Abrams don’t have to come down in BR .
In the mean time even M735 fix would be appreciate for a lot of 105mm vehicles that still use this round.