Just because they are good IRL, doesn’t mean they should dominate WT.
They arent “good” they’ve been unmatched for 50 years. This was to be expected.
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Kind of like kh-38 launching 20 miles out with no counter?
Well the 105 still have the same optics and armor, while having a better mobility, a larger crew and the rangefinder, so it does have more advantages over the regular tiger 2 aside from the penetration
How many of these similar threads are there? This conversation is getting old. Yes the M833 will be buff and no it doesn’t warrant a BR change because it’s very slight buff. You’ll still have to aim for weak spots just like the M774. All the M833 will do is make penning and spalling more consistent.
However, the M1 doesn’t struggle, because it’s winrate is similar to other MBTs at it’s BR so it doesn’t need the M833 round. But stop acting as if the M833 is a game changing round and will change the meta of the game. Again, its a very slight buff, nothing more, nothing less.
If M833 isn’t a game changing round then why are you opposing the addition of M833?
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I’m indifferent about it. I’m neither for or against it. If it gets it, cool. If it doesn’t get it, that’s also fine by me. The Abrams is fine.
The entire point of my argument is for the people who say that the Abrams is in desperate need of the M833, they are wrong. For the people who say that the m833 will warrant a br increase, they are also wrong.
Its just a very slight buff. And will most likely be added if winrates start decreasing
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It does annoy me how much Gaijin talk about historical realism and historical accuracy but vehicles don’t even get their service rounds. BR is the balancing mechanism, just give the vehicles the rounds they used and change their BR’s if needed.
Decompression is also needed. It still amazes me that air goes up to 13.3 but ground only goes up to 12. We see people talking about the Pantsir being OP, well if they actually made 13.3 the ground top tier and moved that up it would be less of an issue.
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You cant PLAY AIR in GROUND RB if you cant even get a fkn kill dude tf are you smoking
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Aircraft dominate “ground” RB. They can’t be killed by SPAA unless the pilot doesn’t know how to dodge stuff.
Can absolutely get clapped from spawn thanks to the ONLY RU AA with 12km range that reaches Air spawn
Try again kid.
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Also i just looked at your stats you dont even play anything above 10.3 let alone the M1 Abrams i dont even know why tf you are on this thread spewing your nonsense. You dont even have the experience of playing the M1 Abrams to have an opinion
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As far as I know, it still can be dodged.
That comment was also directed at the US air tree in ARB in its entirety, and not just any specific BR. I also haven’t said any specific opinions on the balance of the M1.
Oh as far as you know? Have you played 12.0? Oh right your 141 battles in the Leo PL, apparently you know SO much about ground battles. This thread is about the M1 Abrams getting M833 clearly something you have 0 experience on. Why dont you actually play some 10.7 M1 Abrams, then come back and tell us its balanced. We can wait.
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ok
Don’t most M1’s already have DOI appropriate ammunition?
M1 Abrams (1981): — M774 (1979)
IPM1 (1984): ------------- M833 (1983-'85) M900 (1990)
M1A1 (1985): ------------ M829 (1985) M829A1 (1989)
M1A1HC (1990): ------- M829A1 (1989) M829A2 (1993)
M1A2 (1992): ------------ M829A2 (1993)
It’s just the M1A2 SEP and SEP v2 that use out-dated ammunition, but that’s because M829A2 coppled with a 5s reload rate already offer them the 2nd best firepower of any MBT in the entire game.
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hehehe well guess wat guys m1 abrams with m774 now struggles to kill bmpt so fun :D
How about the KVT fighting 11.7s with its 9.3 pen?
How about out xm1 fighting 10.3 t80/72 with 280mm pen m735 that has less pen than the Russian 8.0 APDS?
Also the T80 with 425mm pen BS ERA that some how blocks 120mm KE and uses armor that is all high hardened steel with BS textolite that acts like tons of nera despite being only fiberglass, all at 10.3.
No one in there right mind thinks the KVT/m1 better then the t80… yet it’s a higher br? All it used to have was a reload advantage. Now that’s almost gone as well and requires an ace crew.
Gaijin clearly hates the US.
The M1 has its faults. But if any tank in the game should be frontally armored to the max and had raw penetration, its the M1 series tanks who’s designed hyper fixated on frontal armor, sacrificed a ton of weight, upgraded it multiple times and cost 50% more using high hardened materials…. Instead, it’s a go kart. A light tank in all but name.
I can show you 50+t90 and 80 that were destroyed from the front with kinetic penetrators that were one generation older…. You can’t show me five M1 that were taken out from the front with another tank dart… yet the teen 90s and T 80s are the heavily Armored ones?
Wait? A vehicle starts to get out-performed when faced with vehicles a full BR above it in full up-tiers?!
Tell me it ain’t so!
Let’s turn this around for the moment: I’m sure that the T-72AV TURMS-T enjoys fighting IPM1’s in uptiers, those IPM1’s which can roflpen it virtually anywhere, have massively superior mobility, massively superior gun handling characteristics, massively better survivability, better penetration and a massively faster reload.
Wait? A very versatile, hyper mobile MBT chassis with excellent gun handling has to deal with a downside that balances out it’s otherwise excellent stats?
Tell me it ain’t so!
XM-1 should clearly be fighting unstabilized, APDS -equipped, non-thermals equipped MBT’s from the '60s that have less than half the horsepower!
Except for all the most skilled players.
Ah yes, unlike the Challenger 1, Challenger 2, T-80, Leclerc, Leopard 2, T-72, etc. which were all designed around not having any frontal armour.
Those silly designers! They should’ve consulted you.
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