I usually use PW4s for sinking destroyers in SB. I dont think that is viable anymore from my test flgiht testing. 50% miss rate at the moment.
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I don’t understand your point. Why are you acting as if the Agm-114L needs to come with LOAL capabilities? Better yet, explain to me how it’ll work differently from IR agms.
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You probably saw the KH-38MLs being used that way, and I saw some comments pointing out the fact that they already had GNSS ability, it just wasn’t in the statcard. Gaijin probably nerfed all GNSS stuff because of it, or else the community would have a meltdown.
IR AGMs can’t do that as far as I know.
I think that Gaijin should add this, because it limits the potential for A2G munitions, which affects more than just GRB.
Hmm… Well. I cant test it either way. They wont add GNSS to the PGMs even though im fairly certain it had it IRL.
anyway. Still gives them an edge over AGM-65 or Brimstones
Zero tech trees have skilless CAS currently, and it should remain that way.
Just because Israel, USA, France, and USSR had skilless CAS for mid 2024 - June 2025 does not mean we continue that trend forward.
Also your post is sounding exactly like an argument I heard in the past.
“Give us Kh-38MTs, then we might have something that can compete against AGM-65Bs.”
Please, do research on radar AGMs. I implore you.
Kh-38MT and AGM-65D are not oppressive anymore.
Launch range reduces chance of tracking a target as well. That 12 - 14km track range doesn’t change whether you launch at 5km or 50km.
To put that in perspective it takes Kh-38MT 24 seconds to get from 30km to 13km heading directly for a single point not tracking a thing. 24 seconds is a long time when it takes Challenger 2 TES 10 seconds to move 100 meters full of ammo on a level 0 crew from stopped position.
My entire point is to wait. Enjoy the lack of CAS being OP and wait.
It’s a minor ask.
Without LOAL it’s still going through smoke without new countermeasures on tanks.
I just want a solid 6 months of no new powercreep for CAS. That’s all. I am tired, genuinely sincerely mentally drained.
I am tired from CAS being OP to the point where it was a major talking point for tank-only demands and constant topic discussion.
I am tired of the revenge-demands whenever things finally get balanced.
“I deserve to be OP cause you were OP!” as a hypothetical quote, though I am referencing Soviet air mains as well with that one.
I just want peace for the rest of 2025.
2026 I’m all for making sure all tech trees get multi-spectral smoke. I’m all for radar AGMs coming.
I’m all for T-14, T-90M with Arena, SEP3, Leopard 2A8, Challenger 3 production, Type 10 APS test bed, and so forth.
AH-64D Longbow with AGM-114s for 13.3? All for it.
I could be entirely anti-CAS and say “We should have no new powercreep for the same amount of time that CAS was OP.” and we’d be stuck with the current CAS power for 34 months, but I won’t cause I don’t want revenge on CAS. I don’t want revenge on tech trees that had OP systems either.
If we disagree, that’s okay.
only the SLM does
since the nerf I have dropped 5 on a stationary AA, none were intercepted but the guy was fine
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its too op man way too op
You are the one speading misinformation that MMW can only be added in LOAL modes and that LOBL does not exist for these missiles types and that these missile will do nothing but cause TKs.
This is factually incorrect on all accounts. So I would suggest you research these missiles yourself. Heck we have seen in a recent conflict. More… “TKs” from GPS guided weapons than MMW guided weapons.
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Wait for how long? Another two years? Your statement would only hold if the Apache were usable in top tier.
Again, it wouldn’t be that hard to add multi-spectrum smoke. It’d be a simple attribute added to existing smoke launchers. They did the same thing for IR agms where now DIRCM defeats it.
If that’s too much add the AGM-169 as in game, it’ll pretty much a re-skinned hellfire with an IR sensor.
Multi-spectral flares aren’t in the game yet and you expect them to add that smoke tech?
It’s looking to be 2026 for multi-spectral flares.
@Morvran You created a strawman to argue against.
I said radar AGMs full stop, irrelevant of LOAL; all LOAL would change is non-locked launches would be possible, and as at least one CM stated there’s a game limitation for LOAL right now.
Hammer and Kh-38MT performing as AGM-65s is flat out incorrect when they’re supposed to be LOAL against programmed targets.
LOBL MMW AGMs with smoke chaff (or just making any and all smoke block them which would take 10 seconds) would perform no better or worse than current IR AGMs. In fact Brimstone 1s, limited to Mode 2 operations would still be far far weaker than the KH-38MT and even weaker than the AGM-65 assuming they had some form of quantity mitigation.
We would require Brimstone 2s or Brimstone 3s to match the performance of the KH-38MT still dominating top tier.
making up excuses to artificially nerf multiple nations does nothing for the health and balance of the game
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Like I said, if that’s too much, a reskinned agm-114 with an ir seeker would be do
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lol. it’s a loose loose situation. You either bring in a saclos system and die to fixed wing aircraft, or you bring in top tier spaa and die to a helicopter.
Looks balanced to me lol
They should implement the ah64e for the us tech tree with spikes and later on add agm114L when it’s not overpowered
Both the usa and russia needs fnf missiles for helicopters as isreal, germany, italy, france has fnf for their helicopters
They could kinda do this like they did when they added the aim9ms for the ah1z cause at first it had aim9ls and agm114b but later they upgraded it so i see no problem in this.
My solution would simply be to add the ah64e with better upgrades and the spike nlos, and later on when the time is right they could implement the agm114L
The agm114L is simply to good to be in the game right now even with the new anti airs.
(I know sweden, china and britain also doesn’t have fnf right now)
Japan as well.
This solves a single nation. Adding a reasonable placeholder implementation of AGM-114L / JAGM and other MMW seekers adds a solution for all. Bury their heads in the sand solutions just dont address the short or long term issues
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It solves USA, Japan, UK, and China all in one go.
Gripen C uses ARHs and balanced IRCCM missiles in all tech trees, as the most obvious example.
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Yes i know but i was only talking about adding spikes
Which are already in the game
Britain could also get the same thing as they are using the ah64e today
At the moment i can’t think of what sweden could get as norway, finland and denmark don’t have any attack helicopters except norway with the mh60r seahawk (sweden never had an ah64 irl they were only looking into it)
And the F-4J(UK) has been routinely denied Napalm despite the US F-4J in-game having Napalm. British Typhoon is denied GBU-48 despite being on German and Italian Typhoons, nor do we get our native equivalent the ePaveway II. Italian and German Typhoons are denied PGM-500/2000s… etc etc.
Just because US AH-64Es have test fired Spikes. Does not automatically mean that A) Japan or China will even get AH-64Es or B) Even if they do, that the UK, Japan and China will get Spikes on their AH-64Es. It also does nothing for Sweden or the USSR (not that I think the USSR is actually struggling all that much at the moment with helis)
It also does absolutely nothing for Britain, italy and Germany with 0 FnF weapons for their top tier CAS. MMW Needs to be added or a solution, such as a placeholder implemenation needs to be added this year. Period.
Yeah, this is the issue and why they need to come up with some better solutions than ignoring the problem