It’s mostly (according to gaijin) a balance issue, there was a reply not long ago regarding its implementation and the response was more or less that it would perform way too well in the current game.
It was related to LOAL and ARH lock (AKA Brimstones, AGM-114L ) or remote guidance + lock (AKA Lmur).
The 2 raised points were:
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the uncontested ability of the missiles, from firing behind cover, the missile going to a GPS location and acquiring a target by itself (LOAL), or remote guidance until you select your target.
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the threat this holds against teammates, as in, you fired a missile at a certain location without checking who is there, your teammate dies, now imagine you fired a salvo at a group of teammates.
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I remember the devs added something about the void of ESP/EW, which can mitigate the abilities of those missiles
So, something recent appeared in the new French bombs
they have GNSS+IR+IOG
irl, they can do LOAL, but in-game they don’t
and that is a balancing factor
According to Boeing and physics.* Not Gaijin.
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AGM-114L would be blatantly OP.
Notice there’s no radar.
Though in the context given for Brimstones, this is actually not the case. Brimstones were pre-programmed with targets and so unless there was a friendly in the same vehicle as the enemy, friendly fire wouldnt be an issue.
For the AGM-114L, I would just limit them to needing a radar lock before firing rather than a true LOAL mode, same for the Brimstone, just have them LOBL and it totally mitigates this issue entirely.
The only reason given that I will accept is that they can see through smoke and are better at dealing with things like trees. and light cover. Everything else was total nonsense in that post
I think the JAGM-MR would be a better option as it has a tri seeker (IR+Laser+MMR). We have already have a very similar system in game (it’s the rocket assisted bomb that the new french jet has) so it won’t be too hard to implement.
The only issue I see from this is the range because the JAGM-MR has a range of 16km but it could be nerfed to 8 or 10km.
Regardless, the Apache is in desperate need of a new agm.
Yeah, hopefully we get the Apache E sooner rather than later and have that as an option
The problem is how mixed the matchmaker is, as whilst a brimstone may never go on a rampage against NATO tanks IRL in a war and only hoam in on BMPs and T-series tanks, those tanks are quite likely to be on your team in WT, and if brimstones are on both teams with how they are getting introduced to more nations now then it will only make it worse as both teams would be hunted by both their own or the enemys missiles at the same time.
On the topic of the thread though: honestly just add them like spikes where you lock a target before launch. Even if it’s unhistorical and unrealistic it’s as close as you can get without making an unbalanced mess and is close enough to where the majority probably wouldn’t complain.
At which point, I would just propose giving them IFF in light of that somewhat ahistorical fact caused by the MM to simulate the pre-programmed targets. Though I doubt LOAL modes will ever be added which is fine, Brimstone has a LOBL FnF mode, as does the AGM-114L
If Gaijin decides to add multispectral smoke to tanks I can see these style of weapons coming, if not I wouldn’t expect to see ARH air to ground missiles on rotor wing or fixed wing aircraft.
Crazy people think this would be balanced.
Truly American main moment.
Well, I’m not asking for it to have MMR, the reason why I brought it up is because the JAGM-MR could get the brimstone treatment and have IR+Laser. Should’ve clarified that.
That could be fair at 8 per airframe but 16 on one airframe still makes it the most powerful helicopter in the game by far.
With how top tier is currently implemented and the state of helis for the past 4 years, It would be unfair to say it has been balanced. For the longest time, KA52/KA50s have been wrecking havoc. Only until vikhrs nerfs and recently with the addition of spike missiles to helicopters, it kinda put the KA52s in check.
Whether Gaijin gives it 8 or 16, at the end of the day, calling it overpowered while turning a blind eye to the recent additions gaijin has introduced puts a sour taste in my mouth.
I’m by no means asking for it to have 16 (though keep in mind the Israeli blackhawk has 16 spikes), give it 8 JAGM-MR and give it 8 normal JAGM (laser with highly accurate IOG). Or just give it 8 JAGM-MR. If not, reduce it’s BR as it’s not worthy of being called 12.0 let alone being called top tier.
They need to do something, because at the moment, the Apache is one of the weakest helis at the moment
Or NATO vs Warsaw in GRB so we don’t have to worry much about TK with FnF brimstone except Swedish T-80U
Brimstone doesn’t have IFF.
NATO vs Warsaw would reduce teamkilling by a whopping zero.
I’m talking about real life don’t tell me you think Brimstone don’t have IFF irl?
IRL they also don’t have IFF.
There’s a reason that even AGM-114L use is restricted IRL when friendly vehicles are nearby.