Aye, honestly, it’s kind of strange that the Soviets are getting yet another Romanian ship, but Italy is again being ignored (despite having the Romanian Sub TT). I mean, I don’t mind them adding it to the Soviet TT, but I firmly think Italy should get one too, preferably in the TT. Same with Regale Ferdinand.
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Meh, small cruisers should exists & could even keep their medium craft spawns imho, might as well be re-rated cruisers as a buff to DM compared to a destroyer with the limitations of just several cannons.
Logic error, SU/IR tree is now equal to the Ger tree in regards to captured warships.
SU/IR:
• Regele Ferdinand class destroyer
• Vifor class destroyer
• Condottieri series cruiser
• Conte di Cavour class Dreadnought Battleship
Ger:
• K class sloop
• cruiser Artevelde
• Minesweeper Zmaj
• Maraviev Amurskyy class cruiser
If we regard leased or export vessels
SU/IR:
• Project 1331M corvette
• Omaha class cruiser
• Revenge class Dreadnought Battleship
• Project 20 Destroyer (Italian built, sent to USSR).
Ger:
• Z1 class destroyer
• Type 103 destroyer
• Project 206 motor torpedo boat
• Project 50 frigate
• Nasty class motor torpedo boat
• Type 153 motor torpedo boat
Seems more like Germany is getting everyone’s stuff.
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Wasn’t this seized before actually going to IR? I wouldn’t really count it as a capture if Elbing had never been given to IR.
Ehh it’s a blurry line to be perfectly honest, while not truly captured in the sense it’s taken post battle or conflict, I doubt the IR Gov got their money back & the vessel is pressed into service against their original supposed operators side.
If you wish, I could make a list of equipment requisitioned for military service by the country building them, although pretty sure Italy will be in top three. Heh Gaijin give the HMS Agincourt already (niche the British would have the most if such ships were all given to them).
Not to mention, the Germans radically redesigned the thing because its original form was a tad… odd for a Light Cruiser. But yeah, I think we should distinguish between Export designs (Project 20) and stuff requisitioned for service.
The funniest thing is that “Lyogkiy” in the Soviet TT even retains Romanian paint, so the addition of NMS Mărășești is just a matter of coping a few lines of code, it costs nothing to Gaijin, they don’t even need to change textures.
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Aye, and I just saw a comment from Smin saying the devs don’t have any plans to add her to the Italian TT right now. It’s just wild that Italy is the home of the Romanian Sub TT, but the Soviets have more Romanian ships than the Italian TT.
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I swear to God the entire Russian naval tree is just stolen ships
Their top tier is stolen British and Italian stuff, now they steal from Romania at low tier even when they don’t have to
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Wait till you see their premiums for air. It’s all just lend lease!
I honestly don’t care much if other nations get trophies, I would be happy to get smth like Premuda for Italy for example, but with the fact that the original operator doesn’t get the ship, even despite said country has a home TT and considering this:
I just don’t understand why they don’t want to add the original NMS Mărășești into the Italian TT this update and I think I should mention it again, Lyogkiy vessel retains the original Romanian paint, so adding it as NMS Mărășești doesn’t require to make new textures, that’s just out of logic.
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I can only think about some anti-Italian Navy bias, same as Littorio’s 45s aced reloading or better RoF of Minisini cannons on every Soviet ship compared to Italian.
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Err cuz Rome and Romanian are 2 very different things?
Very intelligent joke I guess 👍
Romania is placed in the Italian TT, which has been confirmed by Smin multiple times.
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Sorry, I have been trying to explain some obvious things to a brick wall and bought the attitude over, you know how the forum is, but I do apologies for bringing my frustration from one conversation into this one.
Has Romania actually been confirmed as an Italian sub tree? or just that they are getting citrine Romanian vehicles?
I read the:
But the same thing was said about Australian vehicles for a long time that it was “decided that Australia would be broken up to fill gapes in various nations” unfortunately they are now being rather vague on if nations are an official “sub-nation” or just being added to fill gaps due to “sub-nation” translating into some rather negative connotations in various languages.
However reading the ships history it would be more appropriate as an Italian vehicle under the same gaijin rules as the L2A4 CAN as it was build and modified in Italy for export, if the vehicles operator nation is not in game then it should default to the builder nation.
It’s not really the same thing. Romania hasn’t been officially called a subtree yes, but “Italy is its home nation” means that all Romanian stuff is added to Italian TT for now at least, so I don’t see any reason to block the addition of NMS Mărășești, even if it wasn’t built by Italy.
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I agree, Smins comments are at the least highly suggestive that Romania is a subtree, and I already stated:
and it’s not like the Russian blue water tree is lacking at any point
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And all they have to do is copy paste it with a rename, yet for some reason they can’t do that
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I don’t see why it would be so important to add this ship to the Italian tree under a Romanian flag. Surely it makes far more sense to add it under an Italian flag, since it is literally Italian, and it would save having to decide on Romania’s status in the Italian tree. Besides, we already have a ship of the same class in the Italian research tree freely available to all.
On the topic of Romania’s status in the Italian tree, I am not convinced that Romania is actually an official subtree…
Italy’s obvious and confirmed subtree is Hungary, comprising full research lines for ground, air, and even helis, with potential for navy too (especially the Austro-Hungarian Navy). As of this update, Hungary actually has the most vehicles out of all subtree nations (and has plenty more to add), so Italy is doing very well in terms of subtree support and isn’t in need of a second proper subtree.
Getting back to Romania, Gaijin have always been very careful with their wording, always avoiding describing Romania as a subtree explicitly. This is in contrast with official subtrees which they are very clear and explicit with, and usually their official reveal is in an update trailer with their flag being shown. This has never happened with Romania, as well as the other gap filler nations, which is why I’m pretty sure Romania is just a gap filler, which would make perfect sense and be fully consistent with everything we’ve seen with them so far. Everything from the lack of an official reveal/announcement, them avoiding calling Romania a subtree, the vehicles that show up in more than one tech tree, the fact all of their unique vehicles are added as premiums or events, and the fact they don’t have any researchable lines.
I mean, let’s just look at their vehicles so far:
- Premium copy-paste helicopter in French tree
- Modified Italian bomber in Italian research tree foldered with the original bomber
- Premium unique fighter in Italian tree
- Battle pass premium variant of same plane in Italian tree
- Joint Yugoslav-Romanian event jet for Italy
- Romanian/Israeli modified Soviet jet as a top tier pack premium for Italy
- Copy-paste Soviet SPAA in Italian research tree that seems like it was added by mistake because they immediately foldered it with an equivalent Hungarian copy-paste Soviet SPAA at the exact same BR in the very next update, making the lone Romanian ground vehicle look incredibly out of place
Notice how they have a grand total of 2 researchable vehicles, not even of the same type and neither of which are domestic? Notice how both are forgettable gap fillers (they don’t even fill any gaps actually, they’re basically redundant) instead of interesting/hype additions? Notice how all of their unique vehicles have been premiums, events, and battle pass?
This is exactly what Gaijin does with premium/gap filler nations, and not what a subtree looks like. Romania appears to be the same status within the Italian tree as Spain, Portugal, Turkey, Oman, and Brazil.
Unless Gaijin decides to change their implementation of Romania and make them into an actual official subtree, I see no reason to be shocked that an Italian ship that was used at some point by Romania isn’t added under a Romanian flag. I would see more logic in wanting the ship under its original Italian flag instead.
During Romanian ww2 service it was refitted 4 times. First it recived 120 cannons to replace it’s original 152mm guns and also lost the aft 76mms. Second refit saw it gain a fire control system. It’s third refit saw the 76mms with replaced with Hotchkiss and SK C/30 guns respectively. During the war It gained more German AA guns. It also makes sense it is flagged Romanian as it was used far more under Romania’s flag than it was with the USSR and Italy combined.
Could be put in a folder like the Romanian S.M.79 B or sold as a premium for Italy.
Same thing could’ve been said about India right until Sky Odyssey same with the statement of
Mig 21 Bison, HF-24, Vijayanta, Jaguar IS (Not sure if the T-90S counts since it’s squadron but my point stands).
Romania has TT vehicles while none of the above do. Also each nation has 2, 1, 3, 1 and 1 respectively as opposed to Romania’s 9 (13 counting the now unobtainable aircraft in the German tree). Even if we disregard the French Heli it’s still got a much higher vehicle count than those listed.
Said ship served under Romania from 1920-1944 and again from 1945 to 1961 (not to mention it was originally going to go straight to Romania but was requisitioned) as opposed to Italy using it from 1917-1920 and the even shorter soviet service from 1944 to 1945. It was also modified multiple times under the Romanian flag meanwhile the sovies who ended up getting them didn’t modify them once (at least to my knowledge). Romania has a very strong case as to why the ship should go under it’s flag.
The precedent of the same ship class appearing under different flag and refit wouldn’t be new (HMS Armada and HMAS Tobruk are both Battle Class and are both TT, there’s even HMS Cadiz as a premium).
If it were filler wouldn’t the Sniper go to the USSR under export rule like the Su-25BM, Mig-17AS, Su-30MK2 AMV and Su-22M3 did?
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It’s been confirmed that any new Romanian vehicles would be added to the Italian TT.
Aquila doesn’t get such refit.
Romania perfectly fits the Italian TT and it’s totally worth to be another subtree, especially considering that some other nations have multiple subtrees or a big nation also has a subtree.
Apart from the addition of multiple interesting vehicles it can also add more skins options to already represented Hungarian planes, just like Romanian He-112 has Hungarian skins or Hungarian Bf-109G-2 has Romanian one.
Regarding Austro-Hungarian vessels, yes there are some interesting ones, which can fit the game. Although there is still an issue with Austria, if it gets a place in the game it would have more claims for the most of A-H fleet.
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