Still has a lot of incorrect information in it, you fact checked nothing before posting this.
I agree with you, AIM-120s should be buffed but its just laziness to make claims and not check them.
Why feel the need to comment then 🤔
fair i am correcting the mistakes as they are pointed out the point still stands and even gets stronger with some of the corrections
i see people doing the same, dont have the proof
To be perfectly fair, the AIM-120s had their fin AoA artificially nerfed in order to balance out the insane performance, but now with the 77-1 and MICA (plus I-Derby on the horizon) i think it’s about time to remove that restriction, however the author could’ve at least linked a bug report or the initial nerf and done this more statistically than theoretically.
very cool post!
Yea the aim120c5 sucks in the game. No reason to take it over the A/B variant.
As for the aim120a/b I think they are okay as is. Of course I’d love buff for its close range performance cuz its rather lacking but its not bad enough for me to complain either. imo the aim120a/b are decent at everything but not best at anything.
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100%, would make playing the Gripen more fun :mlem:
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More fun = Playable again
Honestly the Gripens got ran into the ground with all the FM and energy retention nerfs, plus what happened to BOL and AIM-120s and it’s looking a bit sad rn.
Having those 4 AMRAAMs be actually capable missiles again would be awesome, because currently i’m never taking Gripen C over J-10
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i am trying to get more support and even more sources to make my own Bug report that is part of the point of the post. that and just to vent TBH
I’d look on the bug reporting forums because there should be a couple of AMRAAM reports already that you can link here for bonus support, gaijin often closes replica reports so I’d avoid opening a new one since it would be a waste of time.
they all get the not enough info treatment trust me i have looked.
Grippy is great, I’ve been playing it a lot and I boosted my KD from like 0.8 on it to 1.25. Its a vehicle that needs skilled imo
I’ve been doing alright in the A, although it doesn’t really deviate from my other top tier stats, fairly fun although the nerfed 9Ms (ironically enough lol) have made it a pain to play against aircraft with large flare capacity.
Might be a skill issue on my end, but the only IRCCM missiles I like are Magic 2, R-73 and PL-5e2
i like the GBR one bc of the r-darter it’s fun to play every now and then.
I think Derbys fit the gripen way more than the current AMRAAM, the increased pull and top down ability is really good from what i’ve seen
yea they are also quick AF i think only the MICA and R77-1 beats it
I want to Apologize for my lack of a good prof read and my info mistakes i have revised the OG post and hope people will re-read it to get my point without the problems. i do genuinely want to help the state of top tier air! my og post was rushed and again i do apologize.
AIM-120 across the board are optimised for range… even more so in the AIM-120C-5’s case. If they’re ‘fixed’ to pull more then you’ll end up with the same or slightly better performance than the MICA in BVR because you don’t have thrust vectoring. Not saying not having a missile being able to pull hard WVR isn’t needed/ideal for USA, but that’s the likely tradeoff that’ll happen.
Also,
“Unfair advantage”? Gee, I wish I could fire off my MICA from 50 km and it still have enough energy to keep tracking while the target’s in a notch or defending down into denser air. The only thing it has going for it is superior WVR performance
Isn’t it performing to spec? It is slightly better than the R-77-1 in BVR, has the lowest drag of any missile in-game and is pretty much undefeated in BVR in terms of kinematic range
“BVR is not a reliable tactic for getting kills” you underestimate the average player’s inability to notch/defend against ARH missiles or simply not paying attention. This is especially true in the rare occurrence of a Rafale doing BVR. Also, the early game shooting of missiles has a secondary objective of forcing you and the rest of your team into defending while the rest of the other team can freely push you. Even if the initial volley doesn’t end up a boat load of kills, it would’ve done its job to keep your entire team pushed to one side of the map.
Email your nearest Raytheon rep and ask them about details of the AIM-120 seekers across all variants and see if they cough up details similar to what’s available on the AD4A seeker (I’m mostly being sarcastic here, but that’s what it’ll have to take to buff its seeker aside from showing the obvious seeker upgrades in terms of ECCM which won’t be in the game until around the time 5th gens come).
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Besides the need to manually practice your formatting, and better research your material, I find this post interesting.
It offers data points which I appreciate.
I would love to see repeat results, as without them I am curious what could cause AIM-120C to be overloading 19.3G in that frame after 4.9 seconds of flight time.