As someone who never used AIM-120s, you’re very sure about what you’re yapping about.
There’s been tons of situations I could remember even a couple Gs of overload could’ve done a kill of difference, there’s people who also had that in mind and experienced it,
But yeah “It won’t bring all that much” I guess. /s.
As someone who doesnt know that the best jet is a blufor jet with the best WVR missile. I think you should consider thinking much more before you write a statement about anything.
I know France has the MiCAs and they’re by far the best WVR ARH missile because of the TVC + narrower notch angle + decent speed combo, I was pointing out that blufor does not even have really good IR missiles for close ranges to compensate the AIM-120s lackluster performance at close fights, but keep arguing in bad faith anyway, completely expected coming from a main.
Dont say bad faith, when you only specified:
Stop coping or go change your statement but its useless since you slipped up. If you cant specify properly thats on you.
The way I see it, it isn’t incorrect. MICAs are missiles suited for short but mostly for medium range slings. TVC is just an added gimmick. Most of the shots you can sneak with MICAs at close WVR you can easily hit them with M2s as well.
Yeah I definitely agree it’s underperforming, I already saw all of the reports from the British bug reporting community.
Cant help you change your opinion, but its a fact that the best WVR missile is a blufor missile. If anything second is R-73, (which let me help make an argument for you) is found on more jets. Mica is only found on 3 jets, one jet belonging to a redfor nation.
There you go. Didnt know people needed help framing an argument for them lol. Its hilarious people need a russian main helping them make an argument for them.
Also if micas are suited for “medium range slings” where does that put a 35G non thrust vectoring aim-120? Which were designed for further ranges.
I mean in sim matchmaking there can be france and china on the same team and thats one hell of a stacked lobby with how mica is a the moment.
Thats sim, which is prolly less than 10% to the entire playerbase we have. Also air rb, france sits on one side, which usually also have US/Ru jets.
So this whole blufor redfor argument is cursed and useless
Sided most of the time alongside Russia and China (who also has MIcas with the M2K-5Ei) in ASB. And in ARB it’s a tossup for which team France goes depending on the matchmaker.
I don’t frame you because it helps my point, I frame you intentionally because people needs to know when they read this that you only play Russia at top tier, and all the experience you truly have with ARH missiles are R-77s and R-77-1s, while barely acknowledging the obvious that MICAs are the best WVR missiles in the game by a long shot, then missing the point on literally the rest.
AIM-120A/Bs are a niche missile better used for medium-long range slings (6-20km) and some unconventional jousting above 20ish km depending if the platform carrying them is fast enough.
Yet if the platform carrying them is other than the F-15E/EFT, it is currently outclassed by the R-77-1 in raw speed and overload in that same area of performance. C5s are basically a downgrade to that niche range all things considered.
Please change your statements or stance. Its pointless referring to my experience when you cant tell the fact the best blufor missile is a french Mica em whilst using in a similar argument that the best wvr missile you have is a Magic2. This is pure and recovery statement to help you from your fragile slip ups
Dont tell me about “Russia toptier” when it hasnt been the meta defining in ages like blufor jets have been. Its absolutely fun seeing you slip up, and also think that the best wvr missile isnt a blufor missile because mica em are desigined for medium ranges yet its mostly about close range performance rather than medium range
I’m not the one in the middle of a missile discussion from nations I don’t play, gatekeeping its performance and then feeling attacked by being called out on my game experience, which is way more lame.
That’s pretty much you right now.
I think you need to learn on how to properly structure you’re sentences. Or at-least use commas or any punctuation to help make sense of what you’re stating.
The point being youre ignoring that the best missile is a Mica em, and you continue to imply that its only good for Medium range slinging, when its a tvc+50G missile whilst the aim-120 isnt.
I also have not been the one to cry about getting flagged or anything as of the moment whilst continued to argue with you guys. If youre getting tired, maybe exit forums to help relieve and solve your problems on how to write factual arguments and not change goal posts
Add China if it helps you sleep at night, yet it’s only two nations out of ten. And Russia has the 2nd best at literally anything with the R-77-1.
Tell me where I said only medium range.
Anyway, get out of here. Your arguments, while being in absoulte bad faith and biased, ultimately developed in a sloppy gatekeep to the AIM-120s, as if they were good or even op in the first place at WVR like the MICAs or the R-77-1 series.
Says blufor doesnt have the best WVR missile
~> continues to throw shade.
~> ignores mica em as a blufor missile
~> doesn’t realize that usually redfor/blufor appear on both sides mainly US& Ru and france chooses either side
~> best jet is a blufor jet which contradicts his entire statement.
~> tells me to leave the arguement or bad faith after unable to make a viable conclusions or unable to specify what he means due to lack of comprehension or external factors.
~> continues moving goal posts
~> says im biased when ive advocated for blufor jets to get others buffs other than 120 buffs to help more majorly.
Is it a lie that your whole experience at top tier is just Russia POV?
Blufor missile that on ASB gets sided a bunch of times alongside Russia, China and even Italy.
Yet France at ARB is a tossup, depends on the matchmaker on which team appears.
lol, lmao even. No one said a thing about plane performance, but first you brought the F-15C GE pylons, and now this. Stop projecting.
Your entire argument was “nah, AIM-120s shouldn’t get better AoA performance, and if it does, it won’t change anything” While you have 0 (zero) vehicles with AIM-120s to be that entitled to to say that with such confidence.
As I said earlier, stop projecting.
If you think it won’t do that much, then what in the hell are you doing in this thread at all.
You gave yourself with this, you’re just trolling.
Does it matter? No lol, because i didnt make a thread saying R-77 is lacking wvr when in reality 20° of Aoa is missing shown in kizvy’s report. You guys are with your great blufor experience
Me when ASB france is seen on both sides, presets are available for anyone’s choosing. Its more freedom available than Rb players can get to avoid facing France
You moved up the goal post by saying “ i was only talking about IR WVR MISSILES” whilst never specified that. Stop lying. We have seen you slip up and make up stuff
And then say “its not incorrect” relation the mica em not being a broken missile at toptier
Like kizvy said, making arguments that say buff all instead of one due to how gaijin operates. And it wont matter because the playing field will continue into a disadvantage which you guys cant handle.
“Im tired of this guy” someone
“Leave this thread” lol… like you’ve all given up on rational arguments
Telling you to cope is not giving up myself, there are just no valid arguments being made. its pretty much pointing out that you guys are very good at evading your own arguements using “blufor” when in reality even sim or rb have methods, like squading up w france for rb or playing presets in sim w france that are usually active more on blufor than redfor.
You’ve pretty much lost all your validity by telling people to leave or they are “trolling” for not accepting your views. Because omg, they dont play a blufor nation.
Doesnt take alot to figure out that the best jet is a blufor jet and on top of that. You couldn’t even change your stance that or forget to mention that the best WVR missile is a mice em which is blufor
The fact I’ve replied you thrice telling you saying France doesn’t behave like a conventional Blufor by the matchmaker yet conveniently ignoring it only shows how disingenuous you’re.
I won’t reply to you anymore, you’re just trolling. Not a single gatekeep/counterargument of yours makes sense consistently.
I would like to remind everyone you’re to debate the topic not the user !
And the fact ive told you that usually blufor/redfor in RB appear on the same side whilst facing their own nations, like US & RU vs them selves, France can be in any or either or. Whilst also in ASB you have even more freedom to choose than in RB, to avoid france. So this is purely hypocrisy.