All he did was put up counter arguments
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Me, when you can jump on someone else pc. Doesnt mean its account sharing lol
You couldnt answer properly at all, i presented you pretty good arguments and you tunnel visioned into the amraam and its issues, not looking at the overall aspect of how missiles came to be in their most powerful state.
Still cant argue against why f-15C/E were powerful for their release respectively. So if youre tired, stop creating threads that you cant argue back with
you didnt
you lied about stuff like amraam having a higher G limit than it does
and made the absurd claim that taking away a third of a missiles fin AOA isnt a nerf
you cant even make coherent arguments
F15C was strong on its release because it released with un-nerefed amraam, if you knew what you were talking about you would know it was added the same update as the ARH missile rollout
and since the amraam nerf it is significantly outclassed at its BR
while F15E had the best flight model in the game (for like a week until it was heavily nerfed and less than a month until eft and rafail were added)
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You literally sent a photo of it having higher G limit, wether it was before live or after live doesnt matter
I dont know what you are talking about, but even with the Amraam flight model characteristics change, the F-15C wasnt effected. It didnt have any counterparts, the mirages couldnt pick fights at high altitudes and su27sm lack radar and aggressive fox3s to keep up with a competent F-15C player. Most either played US, israel,Japan to enjoy the F-15 supremacy. Please dont tell me i dont know lmao. I was literally there grinding jets on fox3 release. And yes I know F-15C,Su27sm etc all were released with fox3s idk where that even came from.
And F-15E had some imaginary fm on live. It needed to be nerfed lol. What is “heavily nerfed” when it continued to perform great at high altitudes reaching mach 1.5+ much faster than any jet and cover large ranges of engagement. People were literally playing the F-15 family in much more numbers than other jets or their families.
My problem is that he constantly manipulates others arguments to fit what he wants to say for example taking a statement like I would like improvement of the AMRAAMS WVR performance to mean i or anyone else is salty we don’t have the best missile and want the aim-120 to be the best witch is, at least for far from the truth. He does this with something in almost all of his “counter arguments” so yes I am tired of that.
no, it absolutly proved that you dont know what you are saying, because your claim was that amraam pulled 50Gs when it was added to live, which I proved didnt happen
and again more lies
how you cant see that nerfing an aircrafts main missiles affects it idk
well you clearly either dont know what you are talking about or are intentionally lying about it, so it would be better for your argument if you didnt know what you were saying
doesnt change the fact that it was by definition heavily nerfed
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In case you did not read the title of the thread the AMRAAM is meant to be the focus. I did answer you properly but just not what you wanted to hear. I wanted to stay on the topic of the thread so godforbid I don’t want to argue about other stuff. I am not nearly as informed on the other missiles and I do not want to get into their problems.
Lmao please tell me how?? The missile changes that came after launch were like 2-3 weeks in? And the F-15C family variants were having high winrate and kd/kps overall before rafale?
Like did you play at all or did you just try the good ole let me spamraam at the start of the match. Oh welp all my missiles got dodged so this jet is dogshit.
Like pull doesnt wasnt winning everything back then. The community was baffled at the idea of how to notch and to this day i see people dying to old missiles like aim-54s or fakours lmao.
Thunderskill showed overall heatmap for winrate performance at the time. It doesnt line up with your statements
So it angers people that aim-120 isnt “realistic” but when the F-15E got the realistic treatment, people are whinning. Funny, even tho it was overpeforming like insanely. And on top of that, was still the meta jet until rafale hit the shelves.
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Again, Ive said this from the start, the WVR performance got changed due how it was performing more than a year ago, and people didnt have any sources or neither the devs so it was left upto their discrepancy to allow further modification and balancing.
If the F-15C family jets had their counterparts, you wouldnt have a missile that is somewhat performing on the lower pull aspect comparatively the old version.
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Maybe cus that was toptier jet of 3 TTs?
And still is.
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Now it isnt? Even tho F-15s are the toptier jet for atleast 2 nations. Point is, people with multiple techtrees at the time continue to play the dominant airframe if they had it unlocked comparatively to any other.
Also, why wasnt this thread brought up last year w the missile changes? Why has it become a concern now? Is it because you can’t dominate a meta anymore ? If so, and this may require buffs to equaling the level playing field even tho one of the bug reports linked in this thread was AI generated which is mad! We have other missiles ready to be buffed as well. AAM4/R-77/MicaEM.
“Uhhh duh amraaam doesn’t deserve to pull its 35Gs faster or even at all because uhh i’m an opinionated main who is still coping about a 1+ year old meta with the F-15C/E so I gatekeep a missile from being good or even competitive at WVR.” Or at least that’s what I read in between your lines.
And @kizvy: There’s a decent amount of well made bug reports of the AIM-120 (even accepted ones), incluiding that private documents part.
Yet as usual, Gaijin accepts bug reports (acknowledging their own numbers are skewed to say the least) but then they don’t apply anything if it affects its customer trends or interests, as previously said in other topics.
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Funny thing is, I’ve never said that or implied that. I’ve said if we are buffing them, lets do it across board and advocated to buffing F-15’s with their fm and give the F-15C Golden eagle its MRML to be far more of an impact than just simply buffing the pull, because that would actually make it enjoyable for US mains. But since you prolly don’t read some of my latest comparisons of buffs that make far more impacts. Continue to ignore and be selective.
And even if they do, im pretty sure it aint beating a mica anyway so go ahead n buff it.
Buffing the AIM-120 series WVR performance would not only benefit the current decadent reality of the F-15C GE or US mains, but a decent bunch of nations in-game including German mains, Brit mains, Japanese mains, Italian mains, Swedish mains and Israeli players.
Adding a couple of pylons to a single plane won’t hide the glaring fact the AIM-120A/B/C5s are underperforming in AoA acceleration.
Anyway, keep flagging. That’s the only thing you can resort as a narrow-visioned main once debunked your nonsense.
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It wouldnt matter if the 120’s WVR performance gets upped to 35Gs. Missiles like Pl-12 have better turn performance and do not define the meta. Even if the 120 gets WVR performance buffed, other missiles such R-77/MicaEm bug reports that have been accepted for underperforming turning performance also will be improved since if the 120 is getting it, then it only makes sense to mess around with other missiles. Because if you’ve opened your tunnel vision mind, you’ll notice all those bug reports that havent been implemented are across the board due to causing further havoc.
So continue with the thread, pretty sure none of these “underperforming talks” will help accelerate anything as of now. We’ll prolly see new missiles introduced into the meta, but by then, it’ll prolly be useless for the aim-120s to get buffed.
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It does matter, but at this point I don’t know why I keep explaining myself to a defensive Russian main.
Good thing then. Many missiles should get a realistic performance, or at least a playable pack of features for most scenarios, not mock-up models to create an artificial, asymmetrical balance which only benefits people like you, entitled and overopinionated mains.
Blufor does not have a single decent WVR/close range missile except the French Magic 2s (and I swear if you say the 9M is a good missile for HOBS, then just stop before before you make yourself look as an ignorant even more).
Therefore, AIM-120s should have at the very least some glimpse of close range performance to compensate. We’re not even asking for TVR levels of performance, dude, just to pull once it goes off the rail just like day one when introduced (not the dev server introduction with 40Gs, the live update with achieveable 35Gs) which isn’t ahistorical at all.
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LMAO
Says blufor doesnt have a singlr decent WVR missile,
So what is the mica em? Redfor? Didnt know france was a redfor country. But continues to use Magic2s as example.
Such a low level argument that doesnt make sense when amongst the best blufor jets is the rafale with the Mica em at its hand. You cant make this up!!!
And please dont wrap me in your 9M nonsense. Ive never been part of any convo related to that.
Again, if youre going to use “blufor” doesnt have anything arguement whilst having the best air rb or sim jet in the game(Rafale), i think you should reconsider the statement very wisely, because right now you are contradicting yourself massively.
However, sure i dont see any harm in 120’s getting their performance boosted. Like i said boost it, and rafale will be strong still, so its nice to have something some what more capable than before. I just think it wont bring all that much. Because even 38G pl-12s exist and they dont define the meta. Possibly more seeker/acceleration or overall fm buffs for blufor jets which the only report available i see are the F-15 ones. Eurofighter seemingly has none, and gripen needs nerfing because it’s massively overperforming.