Lmao please tell me how?? The missile changes that came after launch were like 2-3 weeks in? And the F-15C family variants were having high winrate and kd/kps overall before rafale?
Like did you play at all or did you just try the good ole let me spamraam at the start of the match. Oh welp all my missiles got dodged so this jet is dogshit.
Like pull doesnt wasnt winning everything back then. The community was baffled at the idea of how to notch and to this day i see people dying to old missiles like aim-54s or fakours lmao.
Thunderskill showed overall heatmap for winrate performance at the time. It doesnt line up with your statements
So it angers people that aim-120 isnt “realistic” but when the F-15E got the realistic treatment, people are whinning. Funny, even tho it was overpeforming like insanely. And on top of that, was still the meta jet until rafale hit the shelves.
Again, Ive said this from the start, the WVR performance got changed due how it was performing more than a year ago, and people didnt have any sources or neither the devs so it was left upto their discrepancy to allow further modification and balancing.
If the F-15C family jets had their counterparts, you wouldnt have a missile that is somewhat performing on the lower pull aspect comparatively the old version.
Now it isnt? Even tho F-15s are the toptier jet for atleast 2 nations. Point is, people with multiple techtrees at the time continue to play the dominant airframe if they had it unlocked comparatively to any other.
Also, why wasnt this thread brought up last year w the missile changes? Why has it become a concern now? Is it because you can’t dominate a meta anymore ? If so, and this may require buffs to equaling the level playing field even tho one of the bug reports linked in this thread was AI generated which is mad! We have other missiles ready to be buffed as well. AAM4/R-77/MicaEM.
“Uhhh duh amraaam doesn’t deserve to pull its 35Gs faster or even at all because uhh i’m an opinionated main who is still coping about a 1+ year old meta with the F-15C/E so I gatekeep a missile from being good or even competitive at WVR.” Or at least that’s what I read in between your lines.
Yet as usual, Gaijin accepts bug reports (acknowledging their own numbers are skewed to say the least) but then they don’t apply anything if it affects its customer trends or interests, as previously said in other topics.
Funny thing is, I’ve never said that or implied that. I’ve said if we are buffing them, lets do it across board and advocated to buffing F-15’s with their fm and give the F-15C Golden eagle its MRML to be far more of an impact than just simply buffing the pull, because that would actually make it enjoyable for US mains. But since you prolly don’t read some of my latest comparisons of buffs that make far more impacts. Continue to ignore and be selective.
And even if they do, im pretty sure it aint beating a mica anyway so go ahead n buff it.
Buffing the AIM-120 series WVR performance would not only benefit the current decadent reality of the F-15C GE or US mains, but a decent bunch of nations in-game including German mains, Brit mains, Japanese mains, Italian mains, Swedish mains and Israeli players.
Adding a couple of pylons to a single plane won’t hide the glaring fact the AIM-120A/B/C5s are underperforming in AoA acceleration.
Anyway, keep flagging. That’s the only thing you can resort as a narrow-visioned main once debunked your nonsense.
It wouldnt matter if the 120’s WVR performance gets upped to 35Gs. Missiles like Pl-12 have better turn performance and do not define the meta. Even if the 120 gets WVR performance buffed, other missiles such R-77/MicaEm bug reports that have been accepted for underperforming turning performance also will be improved since if the 120 is getting it, then it only makes sense to mess around with other missiles. Because if you’ve opened your tunnel vision mind, you’ll notice all those bug reports that havent been implemented are across the board due to causing further havoc.
So continue with the thread, pretty sure none of these “underperforming talks” will help accelerate anything as of now. We’ll prolly see new missiles introduced into the meta, but by then, it’ll prolly be useless for the aim-120s to get buffed.
It does matter, but at this point I don’t know why I keep explaining myself to a defensive Russian main.
Good thing then. Many missiles should get a realistic performance, or at least a playable pack of features for most scenarios, not mock-up models to create an artificial, asymmetrical balance which only benefits people like you, entitled and overopinionated mains.
Blufor does not have a single decent WVR/close range missile except the French Magic 2s (and I swear if you say the 9M is a good missile for HOBS, then just stop before before you make yourself look as an ignorant even more).
Therefore, AIM-120s should have at the very least some glimpse of close range performance to compensate. We’re not even asking for TVR levels of performance, dude, just to pull once it goes off the rail just like day one when introduced (not the dev server introduction with 40Gs, the live update with achieveable 35Gs) which isn’t ahistorical at all.
Says blufor doesnt have a singlr decent WVR missile,
So what is the mica em? Redfor? Didnt know france was a redfor country. But continues to use Magic2s as example.
Such a low level argument that doesnt make sense when amongst the best blufor jets is the rafale with the Mica em at its hand. You cant make this up!!!
And please dont wrap me in your 9M nonsense. Ive never been part of any convo related to that.
Again, if youre going to use “blufor” doesnt have anything arguement whilst having the best air rb or sim jet in the game(Rafale), i think you should reconsider the statement very wisely, because right now you are contradicting yourself massively.
However, sure i dont see any harm in 120’s getting their performance boosted. Like i said boost it, and rafale will be strong still, so its nice to have something some what more capable than before. I just think it wont bring all that much. Because even 38G pl-12s exist and they dont define the meta. Possibly more seeker/acceleration or overall fm buffs for blufor jets which the only report available i see are the F-15 ones. Eurofighter seemingly has none, and gripen needs nerfing because it’s massively overperforming.
As someone who never used AIM-120s, you’re very sure about what you’re yapping about.
There’s been tons of situations I could remember even a couple Gs of overload could’ve done a kill of difference, there’s people who also had that in mind and experienced it,
As someone who doesnt know that the best jet is a blufor jet with the best WVR missile. I think you should consider thinking much more before you write a statement about anything.
I know France has the MiCAs and they’re by far the best WVR ARH missile because of the TVC + narrower notch angle + decent speed combo, I was pointing out that blufor does not even have really good IR missiles for close ranges to compensate the AIM-120s lackluster performance at close fights, but keep arguing in bad faith anyway, completely expected coming from a main.
The way I see it, it isn’t incorrect. MICAs are missiles suited for short but mostly for medium range slings. TVC is just an added gimmick. Most of the shots you can sneak with MICAs at close WVR you can easily hit them with M2s as well.
Cant help you change your opinion, but its a fact that the best WVR missile is a blufor missile. If anything second is R-73, (which let me help make an argument for you) is found on more jets. Mica is only found on 3 jets, one jet belonging to a redfor nation.
There you go. Didnt know people needed help framing an argument for them lol. Its hilarious people need a russian main helping them make an argument for them.
Also if micas are suited for “medium range slings” where does that put a 35G non thrust vectoring aim-120? Which were designed for further ranges.