Why doesn't anyone seem to care about the aim-120 AMRAAM's lack of WVR Performance

It seems to me that everyone has stopped caring about the AIM-120’s lack of within-visual-range performance. I understand that when these “nerfs” were originally implemented, they were fair at the time, the AIM-120 was vastly outperforming everything else in range and was carried by some of the most capable platforms in the game, mainly the F-15.

What I don’t understand is why, after the addition of the Eurofighter, Rafale, and Su-30 with the R-77-1, we still haven’t seen any improvements to the AIM-120’s WVR performance.

I believe the AIM-120 should be buffed for several reasons:

1. General Balance

Compared to the R-77-1 and MICA, the AIM-120 is noticeably weaker in WVR performance. The R-77-1 is only found on one aircraft in one nation each, and the MICA is found on two airframes and two nations. giving players with these airframes an unfair advantage over everyone else.
In contrast, the AMRAAM is the most common Fox-3 missile at top tier, being found in every country except Russia. Improving its WVR performance would make top-tier gameplay more fair for players who cannot spend the time or money to grind Russia, China or France.

2. Realism (Within Reason)

I also think the AIM-120 should be buffed because its current behavior does not appear to be very close to real-world performance. I’m putting this second because I understand that full realism would break the game, but pursuing reasonable realism that doesn’t break balance should be acceptable especially since the AMRAAM is underperforming in areas where it historically should be better.

3. Air RB Gameplay Dynamics

In Air RB, BVR is not a reliable tactic for getting kills. Whether this is due to the fact that Fox-3s are laughably easy to notch even more so than older Fox-1 missiles (especially ones with IOG and DL) or because of multipathing, long-range performance doesn’t matter much. This puts the AIM-120 at a disadvantage, because while the C-5 may be extremely strong at long range, it is the weakest Fox-3 in the game during WVR engagements. For this reason alone, I think it’s long overdue for the AIM-120 to receive improved close-range performance.

Addressing Counterarguments

1. “This would buff the Eurofighter too much.”

I understand this concern, but even with a buff, the Eurofighter would still be worse than the Rafale in WVR, as nothing is going to beat the MICA’s WVR performance.
Additionally, because the Eurofighter is present in three different nations, its buff would not create the same level of one-sidedness that, for example, buffing the Rafale for the thousandth time would. You’re very likely to see Eurofighters on both teams, so the impact would be far more balanced.

2. “Where’s the evidence for better WVR performance?”

While I cannot find definitive documentation about the exact fin AOA limits, there are multiple statements indicating that the AIM-120 is more maneuverable than the AIM-7M.
Currently, in the game the AIM-7M pulls harder off the rail than the AIM-120, which contradicts these statements. I also have a video showing an AMRAAM pulling immediately after leaving the rail, which at the very least supports reducing the current 0.6-second guidance delay back to 0.3 seconds matching other Fox-3s if not lowering it further.

3. “The seeker head isn’t upgraded.”

I’m not going to argue about the seeker head differences between B, C, and A variants. Gaijin has made their stance clear: they do not consider the B or C to have an upgraded radar seeker until ECCM is added. Because of that, I’m not including seeker performance in my argument.

pull vid 1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CgMMC6PxE2U 0:21
pull vid 2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zPV81wD3nwM 0:37

Article 1: https://www.airandspaceforces.com/weapons-platforms/aim-120/
Article 2: https://www.nationalmuseum.af.mil/Visit/Museum-Exhibits/Fact-Sheets/Display/Article/196742/hughes-aim-120-amraam/#:~:text=The%20AIM-120%20Advanced%20Medium,operational%20effectiveness%20over%20the%20Sparrow
Article 3: https://www.navair.navy.mil/product/AMRAAM

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is this AI?
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The MICA is found on 3 vehicles, The Mirage 2000-5s and Rafale. One of these Mirages is in the Chinese tree. As for the R-77, its in 2, maybe 3, nations.

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considering it misspelled ARB into ARRB twice in heading possibly.

It is very obviously AI.

Use of Em Dash, subheading links, misspelling, incorrect information and page separators. The format screams AI.

no it is not AI i just forgot lol

i used AI to Edit this but i did write an og i suck at grammar and often do this

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like google docs auto correct spelling ai or give it to chat gpt to edit?

heading links are auto inserted

the f-16am and chinese f-16a would like to have a word

huh

huh??


also, i love the paint mark on the header, 10/10 would read again
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never ever post a post in forum with ai!!! exapmple: Enhancing the M18 Hellcat: Introducing Smoke Grenade Launchers - #15 by VS17panel

the content is my own the mistakes are mine the grammar was edited with ai not the same as asking it to write it for me lol

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MICA is found in 2 nations, R-77 is found in 2 or 3 nations. They are also on multiple aircraft and platforms.

France has the F-16AM, which has AIM-120s. China has the F-16A MLU which also has AIM-120s.

ARB*

Fox 1s all suffer from multipathing, notching and most cannot function at longer ranges

As for why its AI generated,


This is all consistent with ChatGPT formatting.

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Subheading are linked, also consistent.
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As is the seperator.

Em Dash is used a lot, which is also consistent.

None of these by itself are telltale signs but this is all AI. The text size, gaps, mistakes, grammar, text.

no, its okay to use ai to croorect the grammer, but a post by fully made by ai, you willl get hate

@grok is this real?

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It seems to me like everyone has just stopped caring about the a120s lack of within visual range performance I understand that at the time these “nerfs” were implemented they were Fair as the aim-120 was outperforming everything vastly in range and at the same time being carried by some of the most capable Platforms in the game mainly the f-15. what I don’t understand is after the addition of the eurofighter Rafael and su-30 with the r77-1 why have we not gotten a buff to the within visual range performance of the aim-120. I think the m120 should be buffed for a number of different reasons Chief among them being General balance as compared to the r77 and Mika both of which are only found on one aircraft and one country giving anyone who has these airframes and unfair advantage in missile performance as compared to every other plane in the game the amram in contrast is the most common missile at top tier being found in every country except for China France and Russia I believe this change would make top tier a more fair experience for someone who cannot spend the time and or money to grind Russia or France.Secondly I think they should be buffed because I do not believe they are very close in performance to the real thing I’m putting this as my second reason because I understand that full realism would ruin this game but in the pursuit of realism that won’t break the game I think the m120 should receive a buff. my third and final reason for them getting a buff is that in arrb bvr is not a suitable tactic to get kills whether it be because Fox 3s are laughably easy to notch even compared to their older and less advanced Fox One counterparts and the existence of multi-pathing, the amram is the weakest in within visual range engagements granted the C5 specifically is by far the best in Long Range engagements but as stated they don’t matter so I think it’s high time this thing got more within visual range capability. I want to address a few arguments that I foresee happening before they happen. first I understand that this would buff the Euro Fighter significantly but I would argue that it would still be worse than the Rafael as nothing will ever beat the Mika em in terms of within visual range performance of fox 3’s I would also argue as the Euro Fighter is present on three different nations that it would not be as one-sided as say buffing the refill for the millionth time because you will likely see a Euro Fighter on both teams. Secondly as for evidence to the claim for better within visual range performance as compared to in-game I cannot find anything definitively saying the fin AOA is higher than it is however there are many statements saying that the aim-120 is more maneuverable than the aim 7M As of right now in the game the aim 7M pulls harder off the rail than the aim 120 I will include the screenshot of this down below. I also have a video of an amram pulling directly after leaving the rail As proof that at the very least the 0.6 second guidance delay should be reduced back down to 0.3s alongside the other Fox threes if not lower. And third and finally I’m not going to get into the Seeker head of the B and C variants being the same as the air variant because Gaijin has made their stance on this clear they don’t consider the B or C to have an upgraded radar in the nose so until the addition of eccm there will be no upgrades to the seekerhead.

there is the Og un edited this was not created by AI it was edited with AI the hasty writing and flaws are my fault

idk, i aint reading all that, i am a ground player who loves cas

ii dont evenn have a aim120b, my best is aim7e

posted the OG i just wanted to make it readable bc i suck at writing

Dont worry, they start teaching it around 5th grade.

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doesnt change the fact that it has mistakes like claiming that china or france dont have aim120’s, and that r-77 or mica is like in one nation