At that point I don’t minf AMRAAMC even C5.
Ok and? The Phoenix is a bad missile. If you can lock the F-14, then you know its position and can easily defeat the Phoenix.
Why are you making me repeat this again?
Aim-54 currently is kinda a mid - ish missile, due to better RWR and more public info about multi pathing
Earlier people had barely usable RWR (pre RWR overhaul era). And people didnt knew about multipathing either, yes you could outpull the missile but without knowing where it is (after the motor is burnt out), you dont know when to perform the maneouvre, do it too quick and you are a sitting duck, do it too late and the missile slams into your face.
This is also highlighted by the fact that the opposing plane was a mig23, at altitudes it didnt have access to MTI hence you could barely lock a chaffing target. Other than that to defeat the missile, you would essentially have to ditch your own SARH missile as the target is out of your radar gimbal, whereas f14 with 6 arh compared to 2 sarh could lobb all its missile, TWS it for a bit, turn around, go to the deck for glound clutter. easy win.
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We’re going back to the danger zone update to talk about the even worse Phoenix somehow being overpowered. The problem was the same as any other strong plane.
This sounds like a critical skill issue as this was also the era before the 54’s doppler shift gate was expanded. At launch you only needed to make a 30 degree turn or more from head on to defeat any incoming, head on 54 due to it’s abysmal gate width. No you did not need a superior RWR because the notch that you could slide into was 300 degrees in width, to that same end the 54 was completely unusable outside of that 60 degree aspect unless you were below 5km and at that range, due to the 54s lacking any form of dynamic G limit ramp up as it was hardcoded out to 15 seconds of flight time, it was fully unusable in such situations.
Ok now I know that you guys have 0 idea what you are talking about given that the Mig-23 series had access to a MTI mode just like the F1C back when the F-14A was first added. The 23’s MTI being restricted to a automatic mode that kicks in when pointing towards the ground is a very recent change.
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Imagine thinking a meta warping missile like the phoenix is bad. “But good players dodge it”. You really don’t see the value of one person splitting up the opposing team by forcing multiple players out of position?
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Skill issue
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in my experience, aim120 are harder to notch while r77s will easily get notched even when the enemy is hard locking you to guide the missile. AIM120s also are more effective top to down, and r77s down to top.
nope
they have the exact seeker performance, i can show it to you in the datamines i would have to search for it tho (the only missile with a different fox-3 seeker stats is the MICA which makes it harder to notch it)
you perception of the r-77-1 being easier to notch could come from them losing more energy while turning to follow the aircraft, that is in the notch
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when we have the code that says they use the exact same seeker, consider this in the future when you make an opinion where you start it with “in my experience”
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Friendly reminder:
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This topic was originally created in March when Soviets gets their new top rank jet Su-30SM and new R-77-1 missiles, and contains cope posts about ‘we need AIM-120C on both of F-15E and F/A-18C to RESTORE FAIRNESS’
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Main features of this topic are no longer active and have gone inactive
Because they got what they’ve wanted in the recent-ish “Leviathans” update in June.
TLDR: this topic is outdated and has lost its point.
Feels like every other topic is a necro post
Because that '747’guy enjoys necroposting… for complaining about what disappoints him.
Example: crawling multiple F-18 or F-5 topics up.
r77s will not even track most of the time. They don’t seem to proxy fuse either. And they love chaff like moths love a light.
I don’t necropost out of no reason, i open topics and the mods close them and redirect me here.
but then you realize that aim120s are faster and will effectively track all the time and not just during the booster fire time, eventually having more speed in something like an su27/f15 launching them. It’s the same reason why r73s get flared from rear aspect: they’re appallingly slow, while magic 2s are fast enough that they will strike even from side aspect, even if r77 and magic 2 have the same IR sensor and gatewidth irccm. You simply cannot afford to launch an r77 beyond 10km because it will lose all energy, or simply not have enough closure to ignore chaff. The same happens to when you launch a 120 in an f-18, it will get chaffed because how slow it is since the launching platform doesn’t have the speed.
And I say “in my experience” because I might be bad, but for now, r77s being the worst agile short range fox3s is empirical and most people will agree with me unless of course they do the forum lobbying and say otherwise even if they have the same experience as i do.
R77’s are garbage at tracking, garbage at within visual range and garbage at hitting. They don’t even pull as much as the aim120s despite having 20g’s more of pull rating.
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They deserve a treat after coping with the shambolic R77s.
I don’t even know what to say to this
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This is simply not true. They are great missiles for WVR, and the 77-1 paired with the BARS does not have issues at tracking targets. If your missiles are getting notched it’s a different story, that’s just how game mechanics work.
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holy bait
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