Higher drag means more speed bleed when maneuvering btw
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in BVR the 77-1 DOES NOT out preform the 120…15E at Mach 1 30km 30SM Mach 1…both start defending after launch 77-1 DOES not win this fight!!! BECAUSE OF THE DRAG!!!
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Time to optimal launch parameters…the 15E beats the 30 hands down…it’s not even close!!! YouTubers are already making videos showing this!!!
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The r77 is hot garbage and the 77-1 should have been added a while ago. By all accounts it’s equal or a little better than the aim120 if the target does maneuver at all when you launch it and worse than the aim120 than a lot if they do maneuver, and seeing as most people maneuver……
Im just hearing skill issue, you can’t just ignore launches from Russian planes anymore and it’s throwing you off.
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In terms of engine performance the 30 is only better then the 15E at low speed!!! If you’re getting out BVR’d with this kind of platform performance…IT’S YOU!!!
Everyone knew F18 wasn’t going to be anything special. It’s to no-one’s surprise. Should’ve honestly been added 2 years ago. USA’s top-dog is the F15E still.
Only question you should be asking yourself regarding F18 is if it should be lowered to 13.7, if you consider it equal to SU27SM and others with that BR. USA already has an insanely good 14.0, the F15E.
F15E is a VASTLY better launch platform, if you’re referring to energy state. And R77-1 has worse retention due to drag.
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I ordinarily wouldn’t do this, but this is cope. Outside of subsonic, point blank launches, 77-1 is worse. The most immediate competitor that it outclasses is MICA, and plausibly the Israeli missile. The launch platform cannot get it fast enough to have an energy state that will grant it greater range and overcome the limitations drag imposes on the missile, as opposed to AMRAAM and the AMRAAM platforms of similar class.
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Please cry more. BluFor has been dominating matches so badly that I end up playing 1v6 to 1v8 as RU and GER because my entire team leaves, resulting in getting base camped until I realize everyone has already quit.
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The A-10s (and to a similiar extent, the Su-25s) became pointless after being denied the airspawn they were listed to be getting.
ARB kiddie detected
Don’t know where you’ve been but the US has been top dog since the F-14A has been introduced and closest they have been to not being the best is with the Eurofighter coming to the game.
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that would have been great the past year or so while the US dominated but instead of allowing other nations to catch up they kept adding better and better jets with little to no vehicles being added with the same capabilities
Because having best SPAA covering their a*s with fox 3 capable CAS aren’t enough for them so they need better jet and better missile while other don’t need better missile yeah that fair lol
77-1 isn’t better than the AMRAAM, it only really brings them within spitting distance of parity in optimal launch positions. Which the 77-1 will never achieve on account of the launch platform. All 77-1 does is give credence to MICA needing improved Range.
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It’s pretty balanced all things considered. The launch platform matters a lot and Russia has a grand total of one aircraft that can launch the 77-1, which isn’t the best BVR platform in the slightest, whereas the 120 and PL-12 have platforms that are really good for BVR. The Hornet isn’t the best BVR bus due to its lackluster speed, that’s fine it’s still really fun to play even if it’s not meta, and it can still do well. This is nowhere near as bad as say the ER vs 7M days except Multipathing is nowhere near as effective
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Reminds me of the r3r vs aim7e days.
Before my time unfortunately, would’ve been nice to see the Phantom meta days
The F-15E is the last plane to need a new bvr missile.
The F-18C (Finland) could probably use one with it’s other disadvantages (no hmd) and the F/A-18C late is meh, but the F-15E is already good enough at bvr.
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i would argue during that time, while ER and 7M have a giant gap in performance, it mattered very little. with multipath at 100m it was extremely easy to just ignore both Sparrow and ER and play the game. Radar missiles weren’t META at that time, IRCCM Fox-2s were hard meta on a nimble platform like Gripen or F-16C. BVR gameplay at that time was more or less dead not because of missile stats but because you will get sent to the hangar from 7M or 27ER launched from the deck that you can’t do anything against because of multipathing.
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That’s fair enough, I just think it’s more offset by the gap in performance is far less than that to where the lessened effectiveness of multipath is not as much of a deal in terms of balance. It makes the need to learn how to notch and low level flying important but that’s on the player more than the jet (although larger less maneuverable jets do worse).
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i was just replying to the ER and 7M situation that you mentioned. In general i agree that current balance is pretty fair. I would love to have 77-1 on a platform with better performance tho.
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