Cope Thread #10394945409 of the patch.
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USSR did not have a 14.0 prior to this update, USA did with F15E. F15E is still leagues better than SU30 for BVR. R77-1 range may look good on paper against a target that isn’t manoeuvring, (in-line with aim120), but it bleeds more speed = less range than aim120 against someone manoeuvring. F15E is also vastly superior when it comes to high altitude climb, retention and acceleration performance. It’s unmatched except for possibly Eurofighter.
That said, SU30 brings some really nice upgrades, PESA radar, extra missile pylons, TVC (although mostly gimmick), 77-1’s.
I’d say it’s a solid 14.0. But it has its cons. Mainly that it’s a lot heavier and gets weaker engines than its predecessor, which means poor speed retention for dogfights and BVR.
Does USA need aim120c’s? Absolutely not. Is Eurofighter and F15E still superior to SU30? Probably. Depends who you’re fighting. That said I hope this year some other nations will also get to enjoy TVC missiles like the R73.
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If you thought the previous patches were remotely fair for USSR; no wonder you’re having issues.
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Not gonna lie, This is a top-notch level of US main’s cringe.
Okay pal, Grant our Tornado F.3 and Eurofighter with ASRAAM then. deal?
/s
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120B has better range.
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You need to read their words with a special filter on.
Restore fairness = restore US dominance.
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You guys just got three more rank 8 jets in this update.
while the soviets got 1.
and there are plenty of nations that got 0.
less than 24 hours have passed since the new update.
Come on, man.
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R77-1 is on a slow platform, with poor acceleration, whilst only having vaguely equivalent energy at optimal launch conditions. Optimal launch conditions that won’t be achieved by Su 30, on account of the lacking energy. 77-1 becomes notably worse than 120 when you account for the platform it is on, as opposed to the platforms the yanks have their 120s on. The higher speed launches means the amraam still exceeds 77-1’s range.
This is before we consider a maneuvering target, at which point it is still a laughably worse missile. The only thing 77-1 does is justify MICA receiving a corrected range.
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Honestly su-30 is fine, even a bit weak if we compare them to some of the planes at 14.0.
The biggest problem for balancing currently is eurofighter and rafale. I do not understand why we give them insain thrust to weight ratio. Insain turn radius, insain energy rentension. In this patch they even got buffed with reduced drag to the point where eurofighter is faster then f15e below 10k meter, and rafale is just straight up FASTER??? buffed their maw. BUffed both of their radar A LOT. AND SOMEHOW THE PEOPLE ON THIS SUB CRY ABOUT THEIR EUROFIGHTER NOT GETTING 10 AMRAMMS AND AESA (now why did they give rafale aesa??? idk). Meanwhile the Finnish f18 don’t even have hmd. Again I’m not saying saying that us mains or f18 fanboys are not stupid. BUT I do think this time they have the right to cry about it. Since this is actually unfair if you compare it to eurofighter or rafale (at least rafale rips above 1400km/h at deck, eurofighter is straight up over powered). Also for thouse people who still think the f15e is somehow competetive or that russian air is playable, just remeber. Thouse 2 planes biggest strength gets litterly surpassed by the european multirole fighter. I also really dislike the fact that people just say anyone that voice their opinion on game balance if it is in favour for russia or usa. Since if I bring up all the statistics I collected it shows that thouse 2 country are the worst performing ones. And before people just say “skill issue”, or “lmao”, like think about this way:
everyone can plan all the nations, statistically speaking, if thouse 2 nations are so dominate, then they would be played a lot. And if they are so good as everyone says, then they will achieve an average higher winrate then other nations. Now if every player can play different nations, how come only players that play thouse 2 country are bad?? logically make no sense. Also, if people are really good and played a long time, then they should have all nations unlocked, and their winrate should all be the same across all nations right? since the common dinominator here is the player. Any change in winrate should only mean one thing right??? Also before you say premium player, .etc. All nation as of this patch have a top tier premium that is decent at bombing bases, so that is also a common dinominator now as well. All in all I dislike the fact that people just use player problem/skill issue as a argument for vecheile strength.
Sorry for bad grammer/spelling, here is a picture to finish the topic off
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F-15E/C are equals to the Su-30SM, the just accelerate faster.
And F-18C accelerates faster and gets to mach 1.5 faster than the Su-30SM.
AIM-120C has the same range as AIM-120B.
Su-30SM’s BR is already increased.
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Rafale bros just threw another report on better acceleration
Looking at this graph is disgusting
S tier bait, keep them coming
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I mean it was to be expected, all RU additions are followed with incredible amounts of fear mongering.
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Man goes on about restoring fairness like USSR hasnt been the worst since FOX-3s were introduced what 4? 5? major ago now i think and now that its actually got a missile thats roughly equal to the AMRAAM its unfair.
That checks out.
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Actually curious here, what’s different about the MICA’s? I’d hope the AAM-4 is same as MICA at least
iirc it is this one
Makes it slightly less vulnerable to chaff (a buff ou won’t actually notice according to the discord)
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The AIM-120C has a longer range than the AIM-120B due to improved aerodynamics, a smaller warhead (WDU-41/B), and more propellant. The B model maxes out around 50-75 km, while later C variants (C-5 and up) reach 105-120 km. The C also has better guidance and electronic upgrades. If you think they have the same range, you’re dead wrong.
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This isn’t about past metas—it’s about balance now. If you think one faction suffering before justifies breaking balance now, you’re missing the point. Fairness means every nation gets competitive tools, not just flipping the script to favor one over the other.
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Ground, yesn’t. Air, not at all
America still has some of the most powerful aircraft in the game, alongside getting 3 very capable dogfighters while multiple nations got little less than 2-3 vehicles
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So you’re saying the Su-30 being slower means the R-77-1 isn’t that strong? Funny, because in-game, it’s still dunking on the AIM-120. If platform speed was the only factor, we wouldn’t be seeing the R-77-1 dominate like it does. If anything, that just means AIM-120s should perform even better than they do now—so thanks for proving the AMRAAM is currently nerfed.