Why does the Su-30SM get R-77-1 while the F/A-18C is stuck with AIM-120B?

Fakour90

Firstly, this is not a plane that can be upgraded, it is a plane from Marathon.

It wouldn’t hurt to know that AMRAAMs are already the best, another point just to answer ur question, the only ARH added after the general Fox 3 update is R-77-1, and that RN is the only competitor to the AMRAAM in terms of longer ranges. And if going by date, China/EU’s 2015/2017 missiles are still largely unanswered by the US, except AIM174B. By that logic, the US will be forced to compete with 200+km range missiles with AMRAAM.

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it is a missile in the US tech tree
that was put into mass production in 2018

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  • R-77 (RVV-AE) — Russia
  • PL-12 — China
  • MICA-EM — France
  • Derby — Israel
  • R-Darter — South Africa
  • AAM-4 — Japan

The R-77-1 is better than the AIm-120A. The AIM-120 often goes into traps, loses the target, and loses speed 7 seconds after takeoff. It is very easy to escape from the AIM-120, you just need to fly to the side or near the ground and that’s it. But the R-77-1 rarely loses the target.

lol

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Is he wrong, 120s are hilariously easy to notch and defeat by multipathing.
They become poorer the lower altitudes and cannot pull the same G or start tracking off the rail
R-77-1 and MICA EM are superior in todays meta.

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THEY ARE ADDED AT THE SAME TIME.

Well, they are both just as easy to dodge, if using the method given. They literally have the same seeker.

Marginally, and discounted by the fact that at longer ranges, AMRAAM carriers have way superior kinetics.

Still better than any other missile other than R-77-1.

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lol early game BVR determines battles and the 120’s are still king there, the MICA fucking sucks at BVR and misses if launched above 15km, never used the r77-1 but this take that aim120’s are suddenly trash and useless is delulu tier

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Did I say 120s were bad? I said they were no longer Meta.
Yes they are better at BVR

Players have learned to defeat them, you can no longer sling 120s from miles away and get kills.
Realistic ranges for ideal 120s shots are 20km
At that range the R-77-1 and MICA are as dangerous.

If you get closer to 10km and below the MICA/R-77-1 become truly scary weapons.

What are you trying to say ultimately here?

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That R-77-1/MICA are superior missiles in game with the current meta.
Which has shifted from BVR to flying medium altitude and closer ranges

F15Es or EFs never have to enter 20km if they are smart. They can climb high and stay high. Their kinetics determines that no missile can defeat them. Even if AMRAAMs are able to be dodged, 1. some won’t, 2. they force everyone to notch. This kinda comes down to carrier, but still.

F-15 has 8 120s, Typhoon has 6. We wont include the F/A-18C as kinematically it’s dead at high altitude.
Su-30M has 12 R-77-1 and a superior Radar

All games devolve to close range, this isnt the real world where pilots would disengage or try to live.

uuuuh idk dude in all my games in the rafale, most engagements happened at long ranges because people refuse to get close and want their missiles to carry their lack of skill.

It still massively effects early game which is when games are usually decided

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Which is just as dead kinetically compared to F15E and EF. R-77-1 does not make up for the worse kinetics, not even close.

Well, F15E with 8km alt can be considered close, but basically untouchable.

They can drop and run. And they do.

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being able to pressure high flyers early game is still propably the most important thing if you want to win, otherwise they fly over your team and start slinging on the deck from angles that cant be multipathed or seen.
not every missile has to hit to make a difference.
you still have to defend against long shots.

r-77-1 is BARELY better than aim-120. As a matter of fact, aim-120 was better than r-77 earlier, we can say that was unfair too

if aim-120c5 comes, we need unnerfed r77 and r77-1, mica er, pl-12, aam 4. All of these missiles were just artificially nerfed