What are you trying to say ultimately here?
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That R-77-1/MICA are superior missiles in game with the current meta.
Which has shifted from BVR to flying medium altitude and closer ranges
F15Es or EFs never have to enter 20km if they are smart. They can climb high and stay high. Their kinetics determines that no missile can defeat them. Even if AMRAAMs are able to be dodged, 1. some won’t, 2. they force everyone to notch. This kinda comes down to carrier, but still.
F-15 has 8 120s, Typhoon has 6. We wont include the F/A-18C as kinematically it’s dead at high altitude.
Su-30M has 12 R-77-1 and a superior Radar
All games devolve to close range, this isnt the real world where pilots would disengage or try to live.
uuuuh idk dude in all my games in the rafale, most engagements happened at long ranges because people refuse to get close and want their missiles to carry their lack of skill.
It still massively effects early game which is when games are usually decided
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Which is just as dead kinetically compared to F15E and EF. R-77-1 does not make up for the worse kinetics, not even close.
Well, F15E with 8km alt can be considered close, but basically untouchable.
They can drop and run. And they do.
being able to pressure high flyers early game is still propably the most important thing if you want to win, otherwise they fly over your team and start slinging on the deck from angles that cant be multipathed or seen.
not every missile has to hit to make a difference.
you still have to defend against long shots.
r-77-1 is BARELY better than aim-120. As a matter of fact, aim-120 was better than r-77 earlier, we can say that was unfair too
if aim-120c5 comes, we need unnerfed r77 and r77-1, mica er, pl-12, aam 4. All of these missiles were just artificially nerfed
Yes and no,
A High fast F-15E struggles to defend as they are very much boats.
The faster you are the more dangerous your missiles are and the more dangerous their missiles are.
I really do not see an F-15 as a threat
Su-30 with its incredible Radar and missile payload is a threat.
Even in a Typhoon
MICA nerfed is a gameplay decision and to undo it and allow the Rafale 8 MICAs breaks the game
R-77 isnt nerfed its just Gaijins missile modeling, they cant model drag at different stages
R-77 should be slower draggier transonic but when its fast and high should be similar to an 120.
120C doesnt add a whole lot, it tracks off the rail and can pull more G but not to the TVC levels of MICA
“I really do not see an F-15 as a threat
Su-30 with its incredible Radar and missile payload is a threat.”
perhaps because F15 players are morons, but played well its a much more dangerous threat than the su30, which is even more of a boat lmfao?
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The meta has shifted to med altitude and flying on the deck again because the R-77-1 was added. People just decided to play like a rat again instead of learning to defend.
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On god if people seriously think the brick of a missile that is the AIM-54 was ever a threat you seriously need to get better at the game.
Do people forget that it first arrived with a 16 G overload?
This thing had and still has the maneuverability of an obese AIM-9G with clipped wings.
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Having control of altitude is a pretty big advantage, just because you know how to defeat them doesn’t mean these missles are wasted since every launch puts you in a worse and worse posistion while defending while they either chase you or sit up at 10km without a worry.
If you both had aim 54 you could at least prevent them from just running you down into the mud like a dog by launching your fox3 own back.
Except that every single 54 could be easily defeated simply by notching and thats it, or just pulling a gentle turn, no need for any aggressive anything.
AIM-54s, were and still are wasted weight, the AIM-7F and 7M is so much better its not even a contest.
Please, if you want we can fight AIM-54 F-14B vs AIM-7M F-14B and you will find that you will die every single time.
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Im sure you would beat me in either case, i dont think any of the planes recently (su30/typhoon) I even have 2kd on. I also only have germany and russia ground out. I would argue tho if you had a mirror skill match 1v1 taking 1 or 2 aim54 would give you an advantage vs pure sarh loadout, i really dont think these are deadweight as even if you can easily defeat them it forces you into a notch and you will have to lose radar lock and turn back into them.
ARB isn’t 1v1, i wish there was a game mode for it because Id be able to get a lot better faster than air quake.
Thing is there is no mmr, you dont pick your team mates, and if america was only on 1 side during these times they would probably have 80%+ WR just on the fact they would pick off a good number of players via skill check before the merge and have a numbers advantage every single game. America has never not been top dog in ARB since the f14 was added.
It was good enough to change how rb was played
So yes it was a threat
