The Vidar has a laser range finder, which very few other vehicles at 7.7 have.
The Vidar has Gen 2 Thermals, which no other vehicle 7.3+ has besides the Wiesel which is not the same class of vehicle.
The Vidar’s crew is spacious making singular knock out shots unlikely.
The Vidar has much better mobility than the majority of tanks at 7.7.
The Vidar has effective armor against .50cals
Its placement at 7.7 is unjustified unless there was an external factor which ignores the vehicle’s reality. This was either a) Gaijin wanted to sell premiums or b) Gaijin looked at other HE slingers and misunderstood the potency of them because instead of parsing win rates they look at the win rates of bad players.
My recommendation is to completely ignore the player performance of vehicles.
What you just quoted states that the vehicle was placed at a lower BR because Gaijin misjudged the vehicle’s actual performance by ignoring the vehicle’s real properties and instead focusing on other vehicle’s win rates who have similar weaponry while ignoring the other features of the tank.
How do you describe a standard deviation of 3 win percentage points to a person with limited understanding of statistics without just saying “win rate of 47-53%”?
Because the words have meaning, i just don’t think pointing to statistics terms to technically be more accurate actually brings something to the conco when idk if you know what one can do with a spreadsheet and some python code
All this back and forward is pointless. Ammunition should have realistic characteristics including, apds, shrapnel and spalling bouncing in the tank.
We have over performing aphe that doesn’t shatter while historically it happened a lot. Solid munitions like apds were very deadly and should be modelled accordingly.
As for balancing the game will be balanced accordingly and that doesn’t mean it shouldn’t be accurately represented. As for the Brits being “highly skilled players” that’s largely the fact that people struggle early on learning how ap works and quit so the only people playing are those that are dedicated to playing while the average or below average players play the top 3 because of easy mode aphe and the favouritism shown by gaijin.
I short model solid shot accurately and the game will balance itself.
Gaijin did the same and put it at 7.7. Now you are complaining and speculating there must be some alternate explanation as there is only one conclusion one can get to after staring at the vehicle for a sufficient amount of time.
Which STILL means your dream system failed, yes. Because the only thing remaining, at that point, is “Gaijin’s subjective opinion”. And as you JUST said, “Gaijin misunderstood the potency of the vehicle”
So Gaijin’s subjective opinion was (and often is) terrible. And yet you’re suggesting that we exclusively rely on it anyway, for some crazy reason.
So they’d still have put the VIDAR at 7.7, and not only that, they’d NEVER have moved it, because you’re saying they should ignore all actual performance data. So even if it was getting 90% win rates, oh well, too bad, ignored! The subjective opinion was 7.7, so it remains there forever.
It’s like you’re actively trying to make all the things you said you hate come to pass as efficiently as possible. it’s kind of impressive.
Gaijin’s subjective opinion in regards of balancing has been stated to be based on player win rates.
The only other balancing movement they have mentioned is that of BR decompression as more vehicles are added more BR ranges are needed as the disparity between specific vehicles grows.
I think we should not have win rates stalling actual balancing.
No… that’s their PRODUCTION BR changes. Not their INITIAL BR decision. That one is based on squinting at pen values and armor and so on, just like you want.
The status quo proposed by Gaijin is that BR is balanced with win rates. I advocate for ignoring win rates and focusing on actual vehicle characteristics.
Obviously the most likely explanation is that they squinted. And you squinted. And they simply subjectively disagreed with your subjective conclusions. And since squinters’ squint-work subjectively coming to a conclusion with no work shown (like you did) cannot ever be compared to each other in any objective way to resolve disputes, you and Gaijin will never come to terms, ever. The end.
The vehicle’s characteristics compared to other vehicles of the 7.7 BR range
The closest comparable vehicle is the AMX-30s which are 8.7, that’s a full 1.0+/- lower
HE is less effective than standard rounds but it still presents the ability to one shot a tank, with a laser range finder you have the ability to make very accurate fire and the HE shell has 61mm of pen easily killing tanks with a shot to the roof / undercarriage.
This justifies a lower placement but not a full 1.0 difference considering every other vehicle at the 7.7 range is worse overall with either less armor, less mobility, or less firepower.