Good one bro;
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You showed three side turret shots which aren’t breech shots and two that are breech shots. What ammo did you use at what range?
DM53… do you even understand what you’re looking at honestly?
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No that’s why I asked you to state what ammo you were using. There is nothing in your screenshots that show this is the round you’re using.
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Ah yes, Try hitting shots like this when you are in a fast passed forced CQB knife fight while you are in a C2 that has shells that don’t even work properly.
DM53… the Best APFSDS in the game? a Round that is exclusively given to the German’s and Sweds? and one British tank that is still outclased?
you can litteraly shoot through the upper front plate of a 2A6 with the weakest stock APFSDS at 11.7 and get an easy kill. And if the Leo has ammo in the hull, even better.
I really don’t know where you all are shooting Leos at. Just don’t shoot into the turret cheeks and you should be absolutely fine in killing it.
I mean all Leos, except the Strv 122s, they are more protected. And all of them (sweden) have spall liners all around.
The Viggen was the best plane in the game for like a year until the F-14 was added… It still does fine when not uptiered.
Especially if you learn how to use the gun.
So Su-25 + Kh38 = Tronado + GBUs.
I haven’t seen a worse take than this, airframe only really matters in actual air to air fighting comparisons, if you look at top tier SPAAs you’ve got a 10km missile range with the ADATS yet the Russian counterpart has 20km with the 95Ya6 on the Pantsir. You could rig the SU-25 AGM’s to a Yak-3 and it would still be broken considering that you could shoot them from 40km away but most shots are around the 20km mark which is significantly more than any NATO SPAA can counter. Paveways are far far inferior to the Kh-38’s that the SU-25 gets.
Stuff the SU-25 gets over the Tornado
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MAW.
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6AGM’s as opposed to 4GBU’s (although 2 are of the worse KH-25ML variant).
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R-73’s which are far superior than the Aim-9L’s 40G 30km vs 30G 18KM.
The fact of the matter is that Russia gets better and more modern vehicles to help them whereas the rest of the nations just get shafted. 2S38 being a lower BR than HSTV-L the 40mm lower pen doesnt make up for the fact that the 2S38 has LWS ESS IRST is amphibious and has access to HE-VT HE and APCBC in addition to APFSDS which both get.
The russian steamroll is easy to explain:
- Their tanks are tweaked to be on top: Less spall, best agility, super armor, invulnerable autoloaders etc…
- They have alot tanks, which all have good shells to take out any threat. Even when they spawn four tanks a row… There’s hardly a drop in quality. All at low repair costs.
- Low BRs for their stuff. Tunguska, BMPs, 2S38 etc…
- Unpenetrable AA system (Pantsirs) with 20km range and a huge detection arc which can’t be outclimbed.
- Extreme CAS. By far the best helicopter fleet and lethal Su-25 with up to 40km range. These things are untouchable with Nato anti-air systems. When you try to intercept them by jet, you get shot down by Pantsirs. So on open maps they snipe tank after tank after tank. Their tactic is even to stay near their air field for AA cover. You can’t get them. They land, rearm, snipe, land. When you go for them its Pantsir time or the NPC AA shots you down. Sometimes both^^
One to another. Look at the latest winrate chart. Which was calculated after the Leopard 2 spall nerf and the introduction of the 40km AGM. Russian WR went up to over 60% while all others going down…
Guess its because of the propaganda value of this game. Otherwise hard to explain why Russia has double range for their anti air missiles and 4x range on their ATGMs. They also have MAW and nextgen IR missiles, thermal target pods…all on their Su-25 platform. Also hard to explain why they switch off the side spall liners of western tanks, while russian one’s working. Even on tanks which have no liners^^
The ability to go mach 0.95 and get to above 8000 meters altitude as fast as possible is the most important thing for CAS at the top end.
MAW isn’t needed.
R-73s and AIM-9Ls aren’t used against ground targets.
2S38 is literally just a Strf 9040C with slightly more pen; The same argument 2S38 fans claim HSVTL is equal to the 2S38.
Su-25SM3 is literally the capabilities NATO has had for 2 years in game.
Your post’s adamant defense of the Soviets is filled with misinformation that originates from Russia.
@Thodin
Time for me to defend NATO against your post’s defense of Russia.
1- Same spall as Vidar and Abrams. The autoloaders ammo rack instantly. Only T-90M has great armor and it’s on-par with 2A7V, and both are inferior to Strv 122s.
Agility is slightly inferior to NATO tanks for their 2A5 level armored tank [T-80BVM] and significantly inferior for their 2A7V armored tank [T-90M].
2- They have the same amount of tanks as all other tech trees: 3 useful MBTs.
3- Your post’s claim is implying that the following is also low-BR’d: Roland, Warrior, Marders, Strf 9040C [literally the OG 2S38].
4- Pantsir’s incapable of fragging all skilled CAS players.
5- Same level of CAS as NATO has had for 2 years. Your post wants to raise the BRs of Rolands and Tunguskas that already struggle against the CAS they already face… It’s obvious your post argues the Su-25SM3 and NATO CAS to remain unkillable.
You cannot claim that Tunguska and by extension Rolands are overpowered, then in the same breathe complain about the CAS that overpowers them by miles.
There is no public win rate chart.
Your post’s Russian defense is pure misinformation.
I still dont unsterstand what you want to do at 8km except to drop bombs.
The guided missiles (such as the Kh-38 and Mavericks) are already effective from an altitude from where you can oversee the battlefield, so around 500m to 2km max.
yes, same armor level (you see how the 2A5 is a whole green blob compared to the BMV?)
As we already established, it has way better capabilities, which you seem to ignore.
Ironic, your post reads as if a Russian Main wrote it.
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They really try to defend their 40km AGM, while all other SAMs barely reach farther than 10 km. Or that rus SAMs reach up to 20km. Its just not balanced if one side has 2x the range ground to air and 4x the range air to ground.
I play quite a few other games. WT is the only one which is so obviously unbalanced. Other gaming companies already act if there’s an advantage over a few percentages…and here its factor 4x and 2x. Imagine playing a game where others have 4 times the range you have. Pff…
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The ability to move fast and go high is only really used in mid BR’s with the lack of missiles on SPAA, ur not going to be booming and zooming nor are you going to be stratosphere bombing at top tier. As stated previously Russian players fire their missiles with 40km range and go back to base to rearm netting 2-3 kills in the process. AGM’s are better than GBU’s because you dont have to go toe to toe with the enemy SPAA, no GBU has a range of 40km in the scenarios a KH has. NATO has not had any AGM’s with any capability close to that of the SU-25. Pantsir is the strongest SPAA, any CAS it can’t kill no other SPAA can’t kill, it has a range of 20km and 20>10 which is the norm for NATO SPAA missile range.
Roland’s have a range of 8km Tunguska’s have a range of 10km equivalent to NATO top tier SPAA. You cannot claim that Rolands are by extension overpowered as they aren’t equivalent to Tunguskas. Russian CAS is extremely overpowered and the only SPAA that can somewhat counter it is surprise suprise Russian. SU-25SM3 and Pantsir-S1 are without a chance the strongest CAS and SPAA respectively and is a major part of why Russian has such a high winrate. You’re the one defending this ridiculous state of affairs and your whole argument is riddled with lies and misinformation.
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This person routinely spouts what can only be called pure undiluted NATO is strong propaganda and snorts so much Russian copium saying stuff such as :
‘What’s disgusting about Germany having the best top ground vehicle? What’s disgusting about Sweden having the best top ground and air vehicles? What’s disgusting about NATO CAS being OP and unkillable by all SPAA in the game? This one’s rhetorical. Pantsir can’t frag CAS, I’m the CAS that out-ran’
There is no possible reason that one could even dream about that Pantsir is worse than any SPAA ingame and that it can’t kill NATO CAS which predominantly use GBU’s which necessitate going withing the Pantsir’s 20km no fly zone. The best AGM (AGM-65D) available to USA has a lock range of 20km which is equal to Pantsir’s range.
If you look at missiles carried by other Russian Jets, Mig-29SMT with Kh-29TD it has a 35km range, the SU-25BM and Su-39 have Kh-29TE with 30km of range.
The fact is no NATO jet has the capability with the exception of the Anti-Ship missile to kill Pantsir without being in its range.
I want all tech trees in War Thunder to get SPAA superior to Pantsir; this has been needed since May of 2023.
Su-25SM3 has the same exact non-dying capabilities as NATO CAS. 20km means nothing when NATO CAS also does that, and no SPAA currently in game reaches more than 14km against jet targets.
Altitude gives you better chances not to hit trees or buildings. And IR bombs will go after tank corpses.
2A5 and T-80BVM have their armor swapped hull and turret.
It’s interesting that you think NATO defenders that criticize OP CAS and want improved SPAA in the game to deal with them are Russian mains.
@Thodin
I don’t get why your post defends CAS so much when it’s clearly OP. No SAM in War Thunder reaches 20km against jets, that’s a Russian main myth, there’s no reason for anyone to repeat it.
Yes, War Thunder is unbalanced where all top CAS is unkillable and ALL SPAA in WT is useless against it.
However, you keep claiming ALL OF NATO is somehow Russia.
@Arellum
I’m stuck here defending NATO…
CAS is OP and out-ranges Pantsir with AGMs.
Also to conclude:
ALL CAS is OP and has been for 2 years. New SPAA is necessary in all ten tech trees to deal with the treats as all CAS exceeds the range of all SPAA by at least 4km.
The fact your posts only started complaining when the Soviets caught up to everyone else shows that you weren’t aware that F-14Bs, Mirage 2000s, and even Tornado IDS was fragging ground vehicles without threat from ground based air defense.
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Only Russian CAS is op, the choppers outrange alot SPAAs and the Su-25 outranges all existing SPAAs by x4. All other air forces need to operate within (russian) SPAA range, which makes than far from op. Cant remembr when I last lasted long enough to get a GBU into target in my Tornado. Completly useless plane.
I never stated that the AGM-65D has a lock range of 14km
If you look at what I said, I said:
(AGM-65D) available to USA has a lock range of 20km.
Also you’re overestimating NATO capabilities and underestimating Pantsir capabilities. You add on 2km range to NATO SPAA making it 12km whilst you remove 8km from Pantsir stated capabilities, seemingly arbitrarily, why add on 2km to stated range and remove 8km from Pantsir range.
Do you also have any sources for what you say in general, also moving fast doesn’t really matter when you’re missiles have a greater range than enemy SPAA. Subsonic jets with 40km ranged missiles are better than Supersonic jets with guided bombs that have to be in the actual game to drop their payload