Yeah. Not saying they arent OP. But they arent the top MBT at the moment. Also they dont seem to soak shell after shell quite as often as they use to.
But the small maps designed for assault tanks. Definetly favours their playstyle. Interesting how hull down maps keep getting deleted
The rest of their line-up though is insane. Su-34 should NEVER have been added with KH-38s (At least the IR guided ones)
More mobile, more ammunition choices (including HE to easily cripple/kill any hull down tank), buffed depression, still able to aim down in the rear arc, can lose a crew member without the reload rate doubling, smaller silhouette, smaller weak spots, protected breech (T90M), covered in clown-tier ERA, overperforming stabilizer…
I don’t care how much better the 2A7 is than the 2A6, it’s still inferior to the BVM and T90M. Russian players only disagree because they’ve never had to aim for weakspots before
That is why the Challengers keep getting shafted, they are the ONE tank that can go toe to toe with a Russian tank, So Gaijin just keeps nerfing them to make sure they are easy kills for their oh So precious Russian Whales.
Same with my Leclercs and Arietes. If these devs weren’t biased, then tanks that have subpar armor should have either a lower BR or a better dart that can lolpen things like T80s, like the Ariete used to have before it got power crept into oblivion. But they’ve gone mask off recently.
As someone who mains Sweden I can only speak from experience and as it may sound hubris, my thunder skill stats reflected but simply, I’m just better. I had to deal with the fact that at any BR my tanks can’t get hit. I mean I’m used to basically getting one shot killed every given br. I just have to be smarter, faster, or lucky. Trying not to be arrogant and say get good good or anything, but there may be a common denominator.
If you think one nation is better than another, start from the bottom, build up and see for yourself.
Id agree under certain conditions, but some nations just get shafted at top tier. Between the horrible compression, gaps in capabilities (like decent top tier SPAA) and how tanks are modeled. Some nations really dont stand much of a chance.
I have legitamately seen the suggested tactic for Britain at 12.0, to run the Fox, Scimitar and Desert warrior, and just spend the game scouting and CASing because the Challenger 2 is simply not worth taking.
It needs an armour overhaul, 20-26 round ready rack, reload rate buff and a few other things to make it a worthy 12.0 or it needs to drop down 2-3 BR stops. Its hard to justify the CR2s to be any higher than about 11.0-11.3 at the moment.
I legitimately do better in my Challenger 1 at times, than my Challenger 2, Case in point: THIS Youtube video of mine.
I usually just play 10.7 lineup but the CR2s just look really good . Such a shame they have been abandoned by the devs
Are you saying that the 2A7 is worse than the BVM/T-90M or am I misunderstanding you?
If you are, I genuinely refuse to believe you.
Yeah it’s worse than either of those. Also an AlvisWisla/Razervon groupie or alt disagreeing with me is a telltale sign that whatever I said was correct so ty for confirming.
I disagree with you just based on the fact that I have never seen a single person say that the 2A7 (which is widely considered the best MBT in the entire game) is worse than any Russian tank. Go ask any competent WT player, and they will disagree with you.
That take is now the wildest take I’ve seen on the forums today, just barely out doing “all aspect missiles are a gimmick”.
So the 122s and 2A7s got removed?
Holy british cope.
122 and A7 still require more accurate shots. Russians have much better protection from the side and T90M has cope fantasy armor on the breech. Also the damage model is rigged in their favor with rounds disappearing or getting eaten by the autoloader module.
It’s just that you are an average british main (in all ways), which I just group with british cope.
Why the heck whenever I try to put a 12.7 CAP ARH slinger in my lineup (F15JM)as a Japan main I’m almost 90% always matched right along side Russia? Compared to when I take it out and stay 12.0? It almost reeks of a biased MM and it seems like they want the cards stacked in russias favor as much as possible MM wise
A good 50% percent of my matches it’s USA, Israel and one other random nation against everyone else
I’m not really going to post stuff like that about all maps dude. There’s easily many more examples.
Any tank can lose a crew member (driver, gunner, commander) without the reload rate doubling.
You know what they can’t do ? Lose two crew members and still operate.
If the weakspot issue was so important, tanks like T-72B would be at 11.0+ for a long time now. Guess what, armor isn’t such a deal breaker as you might think.
Rounds disappearing is a bug affecting all nations, so all of them will have rigged damage models. I’ve also had CR2’s side fuel tanks eating top tier rounds completely, so are they rigged as well ?
well nothing new, for years the best leopards were not in germany
that being said its still arguable that sweden strv122s are better they are better armored + having 3 of them
besides that many would call the HU worse, i love the RCWS but apparently its a HE magnet and gajin lets them easily overpressured even with the roof top armor the 2a7hu specialy has
That’s false. L27A1 isn’t nearly long enough to “miss” that much performance, it’s a ~615mm or so long projectile, for it to perform as you claim it should, L27 would have to be at least 15% longer than the current longest APFSDS in WT e.g DM53/M829A2.
Secondly, UK tests their projectiles at angles equal to or larger than 70 degrees, so their performance is very often overinflated as pretty much no Western or Eastern MBT has their armor angled that much, thus making it an irrelevant figure for comparisons, at the same time their NATO and Eastern contemporaries test their KEP at significantly lower attack angles (usually 0 - 60 degees) which are far more practical.
