I know other Nations have the same Problem (Us air) but im gonna use Germany as an example.
After this update even the french have their copy and paste Leopard and although I understand the Leclerc‘s aren‘t performing too good instead of fixing them they just put Leoards im the TT. So now Germany, Italy, Sweden and france have the for example same Tanks like the 2a4. So you like 2a4s go play Sweden. You like 2a7v go play Italy. So whats the point of German Top Tier if you can just play Italy Top tier and have the 2a7v experience while having Cas options and even experiencing Ariete Gameplay (even if its bad). Or Sweden play Stridsvagnen 122+ and have the 2a6.
The German TT is still great but its making German top tier useless. They also tend to bully certain vehicles like the Puma or FlarRakRad making them from too op too quite terrible (Puma was undertiered= new modules and +1.7 Br while Bmp 2m and 2s38 can have their fun shreding anything.
While in Ground Germany is atleast performing good same cant be said for High tier Air. Germany has no Top tier cas options while Usa and Russia get new incredibly good Top Tier options they Absoulutly did not needed (F-15E on 13.7 in Arb or Su 34 on 13.3) while Germany gets another useless 70€ Premium. Apart from that Germany is also the only Nation with not even a 13.3 after this update. Great!
The Strv 121 & 122 is a bad example since its literarily unique modification and swedens only choice for a Top Tier MBT, And finland, Norway, Denmark all has the same issue. We didnt make our own stuff after ww2, we purchased and modified already existing stuff to our needs,
(My opinion)
The italian and now french Leopards are in my opinion the worst addition they could recieve, they have good potential MBTs that could be added, all i can say is. They are juicing as much out of the models they have in-game, and if that means copy-pasting then they will. And we can only scream at them to stop, but they wont listen since its their game.
(The Facts)
All else i have to say is, The Leopard I & II is known as the europe MBT, so if you dont like every european country getting the Leopards then talk to rheinmetall about not selling to other countries.
Well, we their money. Who pay, then choose music.
P. S at least devs can give something unique to Germany to pay for copy paste
They arent unique.
Germany has their own versions which would be equal leopard 2 tvm and tvm 2
Gajin just refuses to add them
Your post has so much misinformation…
1- Leopards were added to France because France is the host of Benelux, nothing more.
Has nothing to do with Leclercs whose bug reports are active and being worked on.
2- Germany has the best top lineup for Leopard tanks in the game.
Sweden lacks CAS options. And Italy only has 1.
3- 2S38 and Strf 9040C are not shredders. They are auto-lights that are decent at 10.3.
Puma is not comparable to them.
4- I personally don’t care if Germany gets “top tier” CAS options, cause Tornado ASSTA will be the only CAS I use to not increase my BR above my tanks. Others want to cause themselves 100% uptiers, and they should have that option sure. It’s just not going to be significantly more powerful.
Germany has an OP 13.0.
What a terrible thing to say that could easily be interpreted as anti-Leopard. [Edit: This is a critique of the specific post, nothing more.]
TVM is itself unique to the Strv 122s and other Leopard 2s, and is a great option for Germany.
Look, they are outfitted it with swedish components, and modified it under swedish regulations. And bofors produces the armaments under license. But all the addon armour and fire control systems are from the roots swedish. The only thing at this point that isn’t swedish is the ground components, the engine&transmission and hull, cannon is licence made.
So in short, id say its pretty unique.
In fact german not swedish
(Traumatic 1.0-4.0, 7.7-11.7 Swedish TT grind flashbacks) (few gems, A21A-3, B18(most) SK80 & Saab 105 )
Same core about Israel meta tier, like merkava mk4 series and Namer. Are totally broken, armor is a joke, T90M and T80BVM have ridiculous better armor
@dotSHINI
No one accused you of anything.
And helping others isn’t gaslighting.
Keep claiming everyone in the world are gaslighters, all you do is prove everyone correct.
great job, spreading misinformation again its made by SSAB a swedish steel manufacturer
Under german license from rheinmetall greatjob not knowing stuff.
The base strv122 out wards is completly german. Internaly has been switch to swedish stuff yes like radio etc. But where its matters for the game its completly german
The strv 122 b plss is unqiue swedish yes
You answered your own question
May i again point to the fact you answered your own question.
I can agree to that to a extent, However the 122s are much much beefier than the regular 2a6.
i am not saying its not the case, i am saying that germany could get copy paste strv122s
and that the strv122 in fact in all regards for war thunder is german, only “unimportant” stuff thats easily switchable often was done by sweden itself like radio equipment etc, which is standard often to trade those to the ones u are actualy using
in that regard for war thunder terms they arent unique thats a fact, germany could have leopards which perform the exact same as the strv122s
ask him his point again please
you keep misunderstanding
sweden has the best leopards lineup in terms of efficiency as a group of tanks (especially in a lineup)
i guess the gripens dont exist at all
doesnt matter if you call them shredders or auto lights.
one is an adjective. the other a term u made up.
thankfully you arent the representative of germany.
its decent
not rlly.
any sane person can realise he was just sad that the Strvs are here but the TVM series is not.
Way to leave out the entire position:
So… you going to retract your reckless post?
Or will you double down and argue against more CAS being added.
And how exactly is that supposed to be a TT fault? Germany also has several Leopards for a line-up. And if you are pointing to them performing better, idk what to tell you, Sweden mains at top tier are just good,
(Completely forgot about anything under the Gripen, that isnt 13.0+)
What did you try to say even?
Sure, however the TVM series are nowhere the best additions that germany can get right now in terms of leopards. So why argue about the TVM series?
At this point, its just null and void. Sure variants are fun. but its not what the TT would need
sorry but its true, the entire german playerbase is but you or i alone are not
no because warthunder will keep adding higher teirs and we need standoff weapons.
laser, tv, ir etc which arent poor old GBUs or LJDAMs
was responding to alvis’s comment
idk why u butting in nor why you misunderstood the point of my reply to him
the context was top tier broski
uhm… that it doesnt matter what u call em. theyre effective
they may not be the best, but they are Strv level, so they would be good for lineups
not everyone wants a shiny top tier toy but lineup fillers too
what would it need in ur opinion?
ignoring players
we are only talking about pure stat / performance comparison where they are better,
when germany would have plenty alternatives and considering germany is the leopard nation ,
maybe in fact should be a bit more favoured in regards to leo performance compared to other nations