Why do CAS players so vocally oppose any suggestions

[Cpt_Bel_V]

Not true,… as we are willing to find solutions that will:

Please Gaijin Marketing/Game design
Please Tankers on the part that tanks would become a bit less impacted
Please aircraft players as those have the right to be in Ground modes as Naval modes, because the game is based on combined arms.

You’re only willing to have a gamemode as WoT or Armored Warfare? Then go for those games.

War Thunde is entitled by GAIJIN not by flyboys, to remain a Combined Arms Game.

I already proved it on this thread:

@Cpt_Bel_V

it’s not only people → GAIJIN is UNWILLING to add such mode :
because it’s not Designed/Marketed that way.
because it would kill the current one
because it is not fitting the game as it stand currently (AA vehicules, mostly)

Just understand that it will NEVER come,…

@Cpt_Bel_V

As said earlier, Gaijin sees no interest in such TO mode,… it have been tested through some events in 2015/2016 → since then the Gaijin answers got from “maybe” to “never”

[Fluffy_Bucketles]

By having a split off mode, adjustments that will make CAS more engaging to play and more engaging to defend against won’t be made. I would be entirely willing to bet that on larger scale maps, those who complain about CAS would have significantly less complaints as these short maps mean CAS just loiters and kills whatever moves.

Larger maps would resolve this, and the people who oppose CAS should push for these types of maps, as it would generally force CAS to focus a section and give players the ability to deploy AAs in engaging positions. This simultaneously makes it far easier to counter CAS, far more engaging to fly CAS, and means that CAS no longer has monopoly over the field.

Wrote a post thing on it, kinda derailed but at some point we did discuss it.

[EddieVanHalo-live]

@Cpt_Bel_V

War Thunde is entitled by GAIJIN not by flyboys, to remain a Combined Arms Game.

But why do that if being combined arms is to War Thunder and Gaijin detriment now?

@Cpt_Bel_V

because it would kill the current one

Are you suggesting that TO would be so popular it would kill the current GRB? Then why not make the change if it is the right choice and the more popular choice?

@Cpt_Bel_V

As said earlier, Gaijin sees no interest in such TO mode,… it have been tested through some events in 2015/2016 → since then the Gaijin answers got from “maybe” to “never”

Gaijin had no interest in RP changes before the boycott then it made those changes due to public opinion expressed across the net as a whole. Gaijin will embrace change it has proven that and also in order to survive companies either adapt or die.

Events have zero bearing on a permanent new game type. It can only be judged after implementation.

[Cpt_Bel_V]

@EddieVanHalo

Gaijin will embrace change it has proven that and also in order to survive companies either adapt or die.

Gaijin only embraced basic changes and definetly not added new gamemodes, nor major features about the gameplay itself.

If you don’t wanna see that Gaijin is making itself different from other games because of that, then go play other games directly opposed to Gaijin/WarThunder, and you’ll see why they intent to keep the CA gameplay type.

[EddieVanHalo-live]

@Cpt_Bel_V

Gaijin only embraced basic changes and definetly not added new gamemodes, nor major features about the gameplay itself.

Gaijin as you say will be its own master. If GRB TO went head-to-head with WoT tanks and was so successful it killed WoT as competition, then you tell me how Gaijin would be upset by that?

[Cpt_Bel_V]

@EddieVanHalo

If GRB TO went head-to-head with WoT tanks and was so successful it killed WoT as competition, then you tell me how Gaijin would be upset by that?

No,… basically no,… they would have less argues to give players will to play on Warthunder in comparison,…

The market will be then mostly shared 50/50 or 40/60 with only WoT, but there is also Armored Warfare,… and so you share market 20(AW)-35(WoT)-45(WT),…

Even on winning side, they can argues to have both AW and WoT due to proposing something different that is CA warfare, and so 35%(AW)-65%(WT) alongside that Gaijin will take on about 80% of all those players (as some don’t want to play CA type).

And so, they have more players overall, even if like 10% of them are people that search for non-CA games, and invested to much time in this game to change now (reason why we have TO fans in 1st place).

AS TOLD EARLIER , CAS players are willing to give up on some of the things that makes them “op” in Tankist eyes, in other to level things out.

YET,… it’s been 10 years like that, and Complainners still is a thing,…

LATEST THING THAT CAN BE ADDED:
→ enable to have Red UI Around ennemy CAS, only for TANKS (Aircraft vs Aircraft will remain “blind” without UI), so tankist would have information that they’re in weapon enveloppe and could try to avoid the bombing even at high tier thanks to smokes and covers, also will permit SPAAG to be used as CWIS or C-RAM systems by aiming at AGM/Guided bombs.

→ delete the killcam, or modify it, to only give a relative position, and not a visual over the environnement, which can from the air, be used as beacons.

[CoffeeBean100]

@Cpt_Bel_V

War Thunde is entitled by GAIJIN not by flyboys, to remain a Combined Arms Game.

And when it comes down to it they are the only body that matters regarding this.

[Cpt_Bel_V]

It was implied of course.

[EddieVanHalo-live]

@Cpt_Bel_V

No,… basically no,… they would have less argues to give players will to play on Warthunder in comparison,…

The market will be then mostly shared 50/50 or 40/60 with only WoT, but there is also Armored Warfare,… and so you share market 20(AW)-35(WoT)-45(WT),…

Even on winning side, they can argues to have both AW and WoT due to proposing something different that is CA warfare, and so 35%(AW)-65%(WT) alongside that Gaijin will take on about 80% of all those players (as some don’t want to play CA type).

And so, they have more players overall.

What? there is no answer to my question amongst this. Just some stats which I am interested to know how and where you got them.

My question is if TO GRB became the thing that killed off World of Tanks for good then how is that to Gaijins detriment? So many posts saying that WT would kill WoT if it wasn’t for the damn planes.

I then transpires that Combined arms instead of being the thing that made WT superior was actually the one thing stopping it dominating the market and it took Gaijin 12 years to realise that.

The whole idea of the buck stopping with Gaijin is so obvious as to be of no relevance at all, However, like I said RP/Player debt, boycott and subsequent changes made to the game. Customers will always get the option to vote with their feet as they say so who really holds the power?

[Cpt_Bel_V]

@EddieVanHalo

My question is if TO GRB became the thing that killed off World of Tanks for good then how is that to Gaijins detriment?

My answer is that it would not kill WoT,… that’s what you don’t understand,…

[Cpt_Bel_V]

@EddieVanHalo

Customers will always get the option to vote with their feet as they say so who really holds the power?

Not you,… if companies can’t make profits, you’re utlimately left with what is capable of holding the best,… and if a TO mode, Gaijin certainly is no better than other Games

[Cpt_Bel_V]

As you can’t possibly say that Gaijin will win over WoT, i did the same as you did:

@EddieVanHalo

Gaijin as you say will be its own master. If GRB TO went head-to-head with WoT tanks and was so successful it killed WoT as competition, then you tell me how Gaijin would be upset by that?

So if you still wanna play on IF and Maybe,… we can be 2 playing that game

[EddieVanHalo-live]

@Cpt_Bel_V

Not you,… if companies can’t make profits, you’re utlimately left with what is capable of holding the best,… and if a TO mode, Gaijin certainly is no better than other Games

What? Again in English please. That meant nothing without Planes is fantastic and its such a shame we don’t get to see GRB without CAS more often as its something special. I’m pushing positivity and progress you are retaining negativity and a stuck in the mud attitude here. WT vs Wot is pure trench warfare now but TO GRB could be ironically like the arrival the tank to break the deadlock.

[Cpt_Bel_V]

The shame is to download a game that is CA to ask for TO,… but TO fans are shameless, i got that already, …

[Cpt_Bel_V]

@EddieVanHalo

Boo hoo ,the man child reveals himself .

You are the one bringing IF and Maybe in a discussion that doesn’t search for IF and Maybe,…

[Cpt_Bel_V]

@EddieVanHalo

I said stated that it is entirely possible that WT could kick WoTs ass and it is

And it is possible that WoT kicks ass of WT aswell,… or that both of them got owned by AW,…

ALL I’M STATING IS THAT YOU’RE MANIPULATING AN “IF WORLD”

[Cpt_Bel_V]

@EddieVanHalo

We can all see what I said. Stop crying bro, dry your eyes and discuss this don’t come on to get shitty ,any fool can do that.

That you’re currently crying that i destroyed YOUR “If world” ?
Yeah,… thanks.

[Cpt_Bel_V]

@EddieVanHalo

You started it ,boo hoo lol.

“Boo hoo” - are you some Karen?
Reference: https://youtu.be/7FGvmJa0FgE?si=PKsOXxPQrsT77l5B

And i didn’t started it, i stated that Gaijin is UNWILLING to add TO mode.

You stated that WT would win over WoT if they add TO, but you have no clues it would aswell, and that’s what i’m saying since by using the same kind of exemple as you → to make myself on your level of discussion.

• is questionning players ability to debate, instead of boohoo-ing people, flaggable? well anyway,…-

[Cpt_Bel_V]

You didn’t even made a point,… but gave us fantasy,…
So,…

And that:

@EddieVanHalo

Stay on topic or please leave.

Should be your doing,…
You barged in with nothing related with thread, which is about WHY CAS players are vocally opposing TO mode.

Basically the title of the thread,…

We aren’t on this thread https://forum.warthunder.com/t/cas-spam-is-killing-ground-forces/50070/2160

[Cpt_Bel_V]

@EddieVanHalo

Events have zero bearing on a permanent new game type. It can only be judged after implementation.

Those events standed more than 2 months,… sure it can give a pretty good idea of what the game would have become,…