Why do CAS players so vocally oppose any suggestions

[GoneToTheAether]

THANK YOU for making things more obvious than I ever could.

[ULQ_LOVER]

@GoneToTheAether

Yours appears to be “one side is far more able to kill the other than the other can kill the first in return.” Which, by the way, also exists in cases of heavy tanks being flanked by lights or mediums, heavy tanks being cross-mapped by donkey gun SPGs or HEAT or ATGM carriers, light tanks being deleted by shots which mediums/heavies would bounce or take nonlethal damage from, open-tops being vulnerable to artillery and overpressure from above with SPG VT shells or TOW-2Bs, and countless other tank-vs-tank situations. In all honesty, I fail to see how a plane bombing/rocketing/missiling/strafing a tank is in any real way different from being surprised in a tank-on-tank encounter with an unexpected opponent who plays your weaknesses. Like my IS-4M encountering an M109, me overpenning that M109, and him deleting me with a center mass shot in return.

It is not the same.

If heavy tank allows this things to happen it is because he allowed that to happen, not that he can’t do anything to counter it. If one tank shoots at other, the other one can shoot back at it.

When talking about air vs tank situation, if air player doesn’t make a mistake, ground user is not able to do anythign about it.

On the ground I can do things with my tank in order to not allow things to happen (when talking about enemy tanks) while against air I can’t do anything.

@Wishie7119

You want every vehicle to be able to counter every vehicle, even in a TO that wont happen

In TO it will happen. Please provide an example of ground unit (not SPAA) that can’t defeat a tank on +/- 1 B.R. spread.

@GoneToTheAether

I don’t want TO myself either.

And why is that really?

[Morvran]

@GoneToTheAether

None of us can have everything we want.

Yeah, I’d love Tornado Gr4 with 18 F&F Brimstones that can be rippled off, but that unfortunately won’t happen anytime soon or maybe even ever.

[Wishie7119]

@ULQ_LOVER

In TO it will happen. Please provide an example of ground unit (not SPAA) that can’t defeat a tank on +/- 1 B.R. spread.

Include SPAA or exclude SPAA from TO, you cant have your cake and eat it

[ULQ_LOVER]

It will be like with cas in air modes, they can be used there but they are not going to be effective. (according to people in topic about it)

[Wishie7119]

Do you want SPAA in TO or not

[ULQ_LOVER]

As said above.

[Wishie7119]

Dont divert, yes SPAA in, or No SPAA out. Take your pick

[ULQ_LOVER]

I don’t divert from anything.

You will be able to spawn SPAA in TO.

[Cpt_Bel_V]

so you agree to let SPAA in a TO mode(if ever it happens), to what : have targets easy to kill ?

you’re eating your cake,… @Wishie7119 is right.

[ULQ_LOVER]

As with CAS and bombers in air modes, same will be with SPAA in TO.

[Cpt_Bel_V]

nothing blocks you to use SPAAG/SPAAM/ fighters in CAP loadout.
so there is threats for CAS aswell

[Wishie7119]

So where is your balance now with SPAA in TO but no CAS not even a fighter in GRB

[ULQ_LOVER]

What?

[Wishie7119]

There is SPAA with bigger guns than some CAS

[PointyPuffin]

@ULQ_LOVER

In TO it will happen. Please provide an example of ground unit (not SPAA) that can’t defeat a tank on +/- 1 B.R. spread.

The L3/33 CC, a 1.0 Tank Destroyer, has no chance to penetrate the D2, a 1.3 medium tank, anywhere.

That is only a 0.3 BR spread.

[ULQ_LOVER]

And some are better as TD than SPAAs

[Wishie7119]

Yes,

[Cpt_Bel_V]

i’m saying : CAS also have threats in CA modes.

CAS is threating Tanks and SPAAG
SPAAG is threating CAS and CAP
CAP is threating CAS
TANK is threating SPAAG and Tanks

[ULQ_LOVER]

I’ll check that in game.