Why do CAS players so vocally oppose any suggestions

It’s been that way for a whole year now, and I’d appreciate it if it could be escalated as it’s obviously never going to be fixed with ULQ being able to set dogpiles and ignorance like they have been free to for months.

It’s nothing about changing anything, it’s actually directly about them getting thier own mode to suit their inadequacies and choice to remain ignorant and beligerant for the sake of making out the game is the issue, not them.

Wouldn’t more game modes be better for variety of play style?

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Everybody is free to have their own RESPECTFUL opinions. If you disagree with someone it doesn’t necessarily mean that person is wrong. One of the key points of the forums is to keep an open mind and agree to disagree.

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I think you need to go through and see where this comes from to be honest…

There’s no need to statshame, no need to make out that things are rants, or anything of the sort.

The ignorance to the points made and the same old tired arguments being exagerated to suit this TO mode nonsense, and the clouding of the point to make out ‘It’s addding a mode, not removing it’ makes it clear that there’s no discussion going on here, they’re dictating…

Why are you trying to advocate against adding TO? What will drastically change from your q into combined arms?

Because I don’t like the way it’s peddled to people as the ‘only’ solution and that nothing can be done about CAS in any other manner… (After all, that IS what this thread has become about… No other solutions, just this precious suggestion.)

Nothing to do with the queue… Just straight up don’t like pandering.

I agree, there should be some attempts to balance CAS/SPAA before TO is added. This can be achieved by changing SP costs, spawn conditions, and rebalancing SPAA/CAS BRs.

If there has been genuine effort and CAS balance hasn’t been solved/made better, then TO should be considered.

I don’t understand why both things can’t happen as some people just want to enjoy pure tank vs tank combat meaning no changes go SPAA/air balance is going to make any change for them in long run.

We already have 10 years of gaijin trying to balance things.

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CAS isn’t a new mechanic to WT, it’s been added years ago and even with several nerfs it’s still unbalanced. Looks like genuine effort had been made.

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To a point though, the players themselves have to try otherwise it’ll just be the old meme… And this is where my issue with the proponents of this nonsense is.

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There are several easy things that can be done, including increasing CAS SP costs, decreasing CAP SP costs, forcing an AF spawn for all planes, and moving all airfields back.

You could even add plane scouting for SPAA, or (this is controversial) give all non radar SPAA a short range lead indicator.

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This could be enhanced as the air alerft function, whilst decent, could be made better in this.

The marker on the bearing is one thing, but it requires people to actually pay attention. I call out when they spawn, and when they start to make thier attack.

I also make note of what the planes are in chat, and if there’s multiple, call the number out.

I used to call ‘Air’ in chat to tell people prior to this, and always used to call out if it was a fighter, or if it’s an attacker, bomber, and if it has bombs visible.

Fiddling with SP costs is a decent idea, but the second part might introduce some problems as forcing AF spawns could result in easy spawn camping.

AAs need more than scouting to be competitive.
Seeing how starter helicopters (8.3) can’t be reliably countered (with a few exceptions) before SACLOS AAs (10.3) is pretty nuts.

War Thunder already is a certain type of game for a long time where most people avoid playing against opponents on par or even slightly superior to them. Most deaths in GRB come from CAS or massively undertiered premium vehicles, in ARB deaths come from much stronger AAMs than what you have to counter them, even naval battles PT boats die from corvettes/frigates/destroyers. Destroyers die from cruisers. Cruisers die from battleships. The gameplay is just so asymetric in War Thunder. And everyone only complains if they lose superiority over other players and only supports those changes that gain them superiority over others. Only for very view people ‘‘balancing’’ means making the game fair, while for most ‘‘balancing’’ means making only the vehicles they play at a moment more competitive.

Nope, it doesn’t. Deaths by CAS in GRB occurs 10% to 20% of the time in casual game of 10 to 15 matches.

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It can go up to 70% if you play slow tank with decent armor and you utilize it, or have an average longer vehicle lifetime, the 10% and 20% are only based on your personal record alone, which is entirely subjective from players to players, we have players like FlyingTurret who we believe don’t die to CAS, or as low as 5% in 20 matches (which is so much lower than you bro, he more better than you I guess) because he can’t survive any tank to tank encounter, or constantly rush objective points with M18 and die to spawn CAP/CAS, that’s a playstyle that doesn’t try to preserve their vehicle, everybody is different, not saying it is wrong with that since if he is on the enemy team, we are more likely to earn free tickets or even win the match with much less effort.

Please bro, don’t become another Juicy “As long as I’m happy, I don’t care about problems that aren’t mine.” Kuuuki

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No, i observed others from here as well too, get the same results. Not just my own results. Can watch anyone’s replays here.

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Been a while since I checked in this thread, but now that the snail themselves have openly stated the numbers show top tier CAS is busted, and that it’s not fair for ground, feels like we’re finally making progress.

Looking forward to the promised, more powerful SAM’s being added for everyone, and I hope ideas like Cheaper CAP, Forced runway spawn etc could be implemented as a stop gap until such things are ready.

If the problem exists now, we need solutions now. Not just told to ‘Cope’ and wait months / years for new AA to be modeled and developed.

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Have I been abusing people, or making out that their stats are trash? Making situations that change so I have to be able to have my reinforced ‘No point so why bother’ mentality?

Honestly, you guys make up all this nonsense to IGNORE the point made and deride the person rather than counter the point made.

This is a constant. It’s what happened in the previous 5 year thread.