Why do CAS players so vocally oppose any suggestions

[FlyingDoctor]

So where’s this poll that has ‘few thousands’ on your last comment? If you can’t front with that, then it’s pretty clear cut.

[meki98]

If you mean the Viggen I was extremely generous because there isn’t even enough people complaining for a poll to exists

[RunaDacino]

@FlyingDoctor

You’re not being forced to do anything, but you WANT to play and unlock tanks, so that’s the mode you need to play.

“Just spawn CAP mate, CAS isn’t hard to counter.”

CAS that phases into reality 5 km from the battleground, has an airfield within a mere 7 km allowing for rapid rearm times, and the last SPAA my nation has is 5.3 while I’m playing 7.7 be like:

(Oh, and CAS is spawnable by driving onto a point, scraping the paint on an enemy tank and dying after capping said point. Lots of effort and skill required…)

[FlyingDoctor]

So you are admitting that you’ve made those numbers up… Thanks for clarifying…

@RunaDacino

“Just spawn CAP mate, CAS isn’t hard to counter.”

CAS that phases into reality 5 km from the battleground, has an airfield within a mere 7 km allowing for rapid rearm times, and the last SPAA my nation has is 5.3 while I’m playing 7.7 be like:

It’s part of the mode you want to play, so you’ll have to cope with that.

@RunaDacino

(Oh, and CAS is spawnable by driving onto a point, scraping the paint on an enemy tank and dying after capping said point. Lots of effort and skill required…)

The skill required is the choice to do that, and stay alive.

[meki98]

They also completely forget someone that almost exclusively plays ground will not be good against someone that only plays bt5 and su25sm su34 in Ground Battles
Regarding cap

[FlyingDoctor]

Nothing forgotten… It’s just not a factor.

[meki98]

Oh so you are a troll

Because air experience maters alot in air Encounters even more so in top tier
And you dismiss it has not a Factor…

[FlyingDoctor]

The fact of the BT5 being MGable makes it not a factor…

Your want to label me a troll is literally because you have no argument other than to cry that the game is too hard… And you choose to play the game, no-body is forcing you, and you want to unlock tanks, and planes are a factor in that mode, so you’d better get grinding.

[RunaDacino]

So in your book,

• There’s nothing wrong with planes phasing into reality 5 km from the battle ground
• There’s nothing wrong with airfields so close, you can land and ream and be back to drop another bomb in ~3 minutes. Oh, it also screws CAP over as you barely got space to climb AND the enemy can and will run away to the airfield constantly to hide under magic AAA
• There’s nothing wrong with me driving me KV-1 Zis to a point, capping it and dying to a vk3002 to then spawn the APHE yak and start clicking on tanks for zero effort?
• There’s nothing wrong with not gaining ANY ground RP in a ground-battle, while the mechanism for cross-tree research already exists?

CAS seriously needs fixing, and the following is what I think would solve most of its issues:

@RunaDacino

• Airfield spawns, not air spawns. Some slow/heavy WW2 propsand early jets can get air spawns right above the airfield like the PBM and other hydroplanes get in air sim
• Airfields should be moved back dynamically to about 10 km rank 1,2; 20 km for ranks 3-5; and whatever distance maintains time-to-threaten for ranks 6+ (I only have fighters so idk about guided ground-strike weaponry’s effective range)

1. This benefits flying CAP by giving you room to maneuver, chase, intercept enemy CAS without them flying 5 km to be within a magical flak box that hits you no matter what
2. This benefits CAS by letting them spawn in and fly smart to evade interception and long-range SAM
3. This benefits ground by making the mean time between bomb drops take ~5 minutes (90 second to fly out, N second to drop bmbs, 90 seconds to land, 30 seconds to rearm (or 15 with maxed crew), 90 seconds to fly out again from the current ~3 minutes.

• Make air-to-ground armament cost increasing SP for ease of use and have it scale with BR (1ton dumb bomb at 4.0 is broken as all hells. 1 ton dumb bomb versus MBTs is much weaker)
• Make CAP be able to progress ground-trees. As present, flying CAP is a massive punishment. First - ground RB is the least fun way to fly imo (it’s way too claustrophobic, planes phase into reality), it’s unrewarding (2 kills in ARB - 5000 RP. 2 kills in GRB: 1000 RP). Second - none of the already pitiful RP you gain goes towards ground research, effectively making it so when you fly CAP you might as well not be playing at all.
• Fill SPAA gaps. Having to use a oversized drunken & pregnant cow of a truck at 7.7 britain with very long reloads to fight jets is an exercise in significant frustration - especially with presence of super mobile semi-modern IFVs.

[FlyingDoctor]

Don’t make statements for me based on your predicament because I don’t share your predicament and have no issue with planes being a part of the game in the way they are.

It doesn’t need fixing just because you can’t actually cope with them.

This is the basis of the response to this thread.

[meki98]

He calls himself Flying doctor so most likely an air main
So it’s impossible to make cas Imbalanced too him even if we had 100km fire and forget missiles against the current aa meta just spawn cap

[RunaDacino]

I am also an air main, so you’d think I could get through to him.

[jspene]

@FlyingDoctor

Nothing to do with my posts has been falacy.

Your entire argument has been “that’s just how it is, so deal with it”. Just because something is a certain way, doesn’t inherently mean it should be that way.

@FlyingDoctor

I don’t need to prove it to be ‘bad’ to have a point made that I’ve made the entire time… If you can’t play the game, then get better at it… The game doesn’t need to change for your satisfaction/want/success…

If you cant prove it to be bad, then you can’t justify why it shouldn’t exist.

@FlyingDoctor

And you aren’t… You’re not being forced to play the game, partake in the mode, or anything, but you WANT to because you want what goes with that tree of vehicles, and on that field, is air threats, and that is something to take on board.

You don’t need to fly, you just need to address the air threat, because that threat will lay waste to you and your team if you genuinely ignore it

Except for the obvious fact that I often times am forced to play air vehicles to deal with the air threat. Many lineups in various countries lack effective AA, and even ones that do aren’t a perfect counter to CAS, but merely an option as CAS can still kill AA. And even to play AA you either have to spawn it first (which is boring and unintuitive) or die first (which has self explanatory flaws).

[meki98]

Then atlest try to tell him just spawning a plane isn’t the answer becouse a skilled player will run circles around people who are new to air (or airplanes in gound)Battles

[PacketlossRedux]

All i see here is an incompetent enemy team and well-earned rewards.

[FlyingDoctor]

@meki98

He calls himself Flying doctor so most likely an air main

I started the game when it was planes only, and I named myself after Flying Doctors in Australia.

@meki98

So it’s impossible to make cas Imbalanced too him even if we had 100km fire and forget missiles against the current aa meta just spawn cap

Your assumption is ignorant because you can’t actually give any data and information other than throwing out speculative numbers on how many you think object to things…

@RunaDacino

I am also an air main, so you’d think I could get through to him.

Sharing opinions means we don’t have to submit to agreeing all the time, and with that I don’t need to change my stance just because you demand me to.

@jspene

Your entire argument has been “that’s just how it is, so deal with it”. Just because something is a certain way, doesn’t inherently mean it should be that way.

Well, it is the way it is, and it’s the way it’s designed…

@jspene

If you cant prove it to be bad, then you can’t justify why it shouldn’t exist.

I don’t need to prove it to be bad to object to it and the premise of it… I’m sorry you don’t understand discussion and engagement…

@jspene

Except for the obvious fact that I often times am forced to play air vehicles to deal with the air threat. Many lineups in various countries lack effective AA, and even ones that do aren’t a perfect counter to CAS, but merely an option as CAS can still kill AA. And even to play AA you either have to spawn it first (which is boring and unintuitive) or die first (which has self explanatory flaws).

Nothing is forcing you to do anything, but if you are going to play these modes then you need to be prepared for the air threat.

And that’s what this ‘TO’ mode advocates, avoiding the threat… It’s like those people that always cry about being spawn camped, even when they’ve got spawn protection.

@meki98

Then atlest try to tell him just spawning a plane isn’t the answer becouse a skilled player will run circles around people who are new to air (or airplanes in gound)Battles

I’m sorry, but as above… I don’t need to change my stance to suit your want… Deal with it, much the same as you needing to deal with aircraft if you want to play the mode that you want to play, to unlock tanks.

[ZendikarHaven]

Do you intend for there to be TO modes for RB, SB, and AB, or just RB?

[meki98]

We should start with rb becouse that’s what this thread is about

Ab has more ways to deal with cas plus amount and loadouts are Limited

while in sim it is significantly Harder to play cas

[ZendikarHaven]

So you would have TO for… one mode, excluding everything else.

@meki98

Ab has more ways to deal with cas while in sim it is significantly Harder to play cas

Hmm, maybe the solution is instead to actually solve this instead of splitting y’all off to a new mode.

[FlyingDoctor]

It’s only harder in your opinion, it doesn’t make it fact.

There will ALWAYS be someone who will excel, and in your mindset, you’ll be upset at them doing it.