Why do CAS players so vocally oppose any suggestions

[dEthbcumsMe]

I’ve played the game casually since its inception.

I get that aviation mains want somewhere to use their expensively acquired (time/$) ground attack planes. Because ARB is no good for that they come to GRB instead.

So far so good. The problem arises that years ago, after a sustained long vocal campaign by aviation mains, SPAA suffered the twin insults of being heavily nerfed and made economically unviable.

People complain about the ‘one & done’ phenomenon where tankers leave the battle after only one death. Here’s why - as a tanker I spawn in, my team begins to make progress, an aviation main spawns in with a very potent ground attack aircraft and proceeds to obliterate my team. On the second spawn my team find that the enemy team has done a full cavalry charge to surround my spawn and most are quickly free kills for the enemy team. Essentially the aviation main has ended the match before its had a chance to progress. People quickly realise this and literally just leave the match because it’s boring just being seal clubbed.

But what about SPAA? It’s not economically viable to spawn an SPAA so people rarely man one to proactively protect their team. On the second spawn, with your base surrounded, desperately trying to do anything with your heavily nerfed SPAA while red team merrily picks you off from just outside your base is the opposite of fun & engaging.

Games are ending ridiculously quickly in GRB due to this.

Is this the fault of aviation mains? Of course not, it’s lousy game design and loud insistent lobbying by aviation mains keeping it this way.

Give SPAA back their full capabilities and return the economic rewards for operating batteries of AAA I say, and let’s have at it shall we?

This game is marketed as a combined arms warfare game but it’s really not. It was an aviation game that begat ground and naval modes with some very poorly implemented crossover.

As for me after all these years, I’ve given up my formerly fun realistic & sim, preferring to just mess about with weird odd ball vehicles at low BR in arcade.

It’s a shame really but that’s the reality.

Peace, out.

[meki98]

also all Tv and gps guided missiles/bombs dont trigger lwr

[EddieVanHalo]

@Pale_Horse_Rider

Go back to playing Arcade, it’s the closest thing to what you want.

I dont play arcade ,never really have.The closest thing to what I want is TO GRB so I can get my head down and enjoy the magical game that is WT GRB and no planes.

[FlyingDoctor]

Just 2? There’s a heckload posted on the regular, so it’s not really a new thing.

Post volume and rapid replies aren’t an indicator of a thread being ‘popular’ though.

[FlyingDoctor]

Well, because there’s nothing like what you want, the best you can do is Arcade as it gives you warnings that planes are coming, and they are timed and contestable.

Pretty much the best you’re going to get.

[MotorolaCRO]

@FlyingDoctor

If you consider it a bug, then report it.

Not a bug, just things being too oppressive.

[Pale_Horse_Rider]

@EddieVanHalo

When you go to stat shame

I don’t do that. Looking up other people service record over petty arguments is cringe.

@EddieVanHalo

I bet WT arcade players love you

I could care less what they think.

@EddieVanHalo

Says somebody who advocates flying aimlessly and lawn darting people while they are having the mother of all tank duels. Nothing quite like some skill free jack ass kicking you up the behind while you and you opponent are deep in the zone right? What was that about mindless play?

The same could be said for SPAAs that interrupt epic dogfights. Such is the nature of combined arms.

@EddieVanHalo

So you want CAS nerfed until CAS haters are appeased? yeah? Wow you are a true Champion of CAS aren’t you ?

No I don’t want CAS haters appeased at all. They can continue to cope and seethe until they either accept the reality of the game or leave and cease to be a nuisance.

@MotorolaCRO

It doesn’t last forever, you’ll eventually have to move out and die after 30 meters travelled. I’ve been killed by CAS in spawn regardless of how my team is doing on the ground.
Looking at spawn is a pretty easy and predictable way of finding enemies, which are most likely fully exposed because Gaijin likes to make wide open spawns for some reason.

Sounds like your real complaint is with the nature of spawn points and not CAS. Nothing is stopping other Tanks from camping your spawn too.

@dEthbcumsMe

Give SPAA back their full capabilities and return the economic rewards for operating batteries of AAA I say, and let’s have at it shall we?

I’m all for making SPAAs better or even making plane spawns cost more points. I am against adding a new mode without planes entirely. Simple.

@EddieVanHalo

I dont play arcade ,never really have.

Maybe you should try it and see that it’s as close to what you’re asking for as you’re ever going to get.

Alternatively why don’t you make a custom game lobby exactly how you like it where all the CAS haters can congregate and play all they want? You know that is an option right?

[FlyingDoctor]

Then suggest a vehicle that can be capable as you can see it…

[ULQ_LOVER]

@Pale_Horse_Rider

I’m all for making SPAAs better or even making plane spawns cost more points.

Which will be bad for people wanting a combined aspect and in the next patch we will get a buff for air (as it was and is after so many years).

[JuicyKuuuuki]

Just found the event people mentioned that was a failed TO mode lol Battle Royale, which includes 1 tank I believe with no teams, everyone vs everyone and no CAS/Planes like 7 years ago. Saw some gameplay from Phlydaily and other youtubers, game looked hella boring fr, i see why it failed. Though im also sure thats not the TO people were asking for either lol

I believe this is the kind of mode they want but allowing all kinds of tanks obviously, not just Tigers and Sherman Jumbo.

TIGER H1 VS JUMBO (M4A3E2) - Which Will Win? - WAR THUNDER

[Pale_Horse_Rider]

Well you do have to consider the historical reality of the matter.

During WWII and the Immediate Post War Era, Planes proved their natural superiority. With naval we went from big gun Battleships to Aircraft Carriers in WWII. The most effective way to fight planes with WWII era technology is other planes. Have you tried pairing up with CAP players?

Since Gaijin is trying to make a game based on realism they can’t make planes as “balanced” as you want them to be without sacrificing that realism. Hence why Arcade is where CAS haters belong.

[MotorolaCRO]

@Pale_Horse_Rider

The same could be said for SPAAs that interrupt epic dogfights. Such is the nature of combined arms.

Only difference is that planes can move away from ground battle area, thus moving away from SPAAs. Same can’t be said in return.

@Pale_Horse_Rider

Sounds like your real complaint is with the nature of spawn points and not CAS. Nothing is stopping other Tanks from camping your spawn too.

CAS can do it much easier.

[ULQ_LOVER]

@Pale_Horse_Rider

Well you do have to consider the historical reality of the matter.

Yeah.

Again, if You want to bait people I’m not the right person.

[meki98]

well if that was really it then that’s even less valuable to gauge the value of TO mode

[Pale_Horse_Rider]

@MotorolaCRO

Only difference is that planes can move away from ground battle area, thus moving away from SPAAs. Same can’t be said in return.

A common strat for a plane losing a dogfight is to fly over their friendly SPAAs. Sure the other pilot could break off and fly away but at best he’s giving up the kill and at worst he’s opening himself up for the tables to be turned.

@MotorolaCRO

CAS can do it much easier.

CAS has a significant limit on its munitions compared to Tanks. CAS also cannot camp one spot behind perfect cover, they have to keep moving or they will fall out of the sky.

[EddieVanHalo]

@Pale_Horse_Rider

Well you do have to consider the historical reality of the matter.

Try the battle of Bulge where it was so foggy nobody could fly ,the Allies lost their air superiority and the Germans made big inroads as a result.Or simply try countless other battles where bad weather meant no air support.That is what TO would simulate.

[Pale_Horse_Rider]

@EddieVanHalo

Try the battle of Bulge where it was so foggy nobody could fly

Hey there’s an idea. Why not ask Gaijin to increase the levels of fog. Add a heavy fog weather variant for every map in the game. I have no issue with that. Sure people can still spawn planes but the heavy fog makes using them effectively very difficult regardless of skill level.

[ULQ_LOVER]

And make people who like air part of the combined gameplay angry.

As we can already see in topics on the forum.

[Pale_Horse_Rider]

@ULQ_LOVER

And make people who like air part of the combined gameplay angry.

I enjoy both parts of combined arms and foggy maps would not make me angry.

[ULQ_LOVER]

But it made a lot of people angry.

Adding TO will help combined gameplay.