Why do CAS players so vocally oppose any suggestions

[Talvisolta]

@Pangolin_Fan

so why should a 70sp vehicle get a 100% instant win against a 1v3 of 500sp vehicles without needing any effort or skill?

nice strawman argument I never said that. And you forget SPAA can only shoot in one direction at a time, so if your are outnumbered by planes another plane will attack you from your dead angle and because every non-rocket SPAA has tracer rounds you are revealing your position to every aircraft in the sky.

@Pangolin_Fan

CAS haters for some reason think SPAA should be untouchable and take absolutetly 0 effort to use (it’s already kinda like that now).

Strawman no.2 never hear someone demands SPAA to be untouchable. And why do you think it’s 0 effort to use SPAA? Ever tryed to shoot down plane on BR7.0 with the SPAA Wiesel? Most WW2 SPAAs shoot rounds at ~ 800m/s and even modern SPAAs like the Gepard reaches ~1000 m/s you have to pre-aim pretty far most times and have luck that you predicted the movement right. Otherwise your shots will miss the target, but you revealed your position, what is very risky.
The other option would be to only shoot at very close traget, which would result in a lower impact in the match if not taking the mentioned risk. Moving closer to the capture points is no good idea as well, because of the other tanks who can take you out easily.

@Pangolin_Fan

SPAA was built to shoot down planes, and it wasn’t good at it. CAP is and always was the better option. It’s been the exact same from WW1 to modern day.

Are we still talking about a videogame? For me I say a PvP Game must be good balanced to ensure a fair competition. And right now CAS has an unfair advantage simply to the fact that most ground vehicles can’t defend themselves against them. And those vehicles who are supposed to protect them end up most times dying invain by trying to do that. The average time I am alive with a SPAA is around 30 seconds (record was only 7), because it draws so much attention the enemy CAS players.

[jaded_sakura77]

@Pangolin_Fan

SPAA was built to shoot down planes

[GNDM_Panzer]

@Pangolin_Fan

SPAA was built to shoot down planes

… You don’t say.

And here I thought my Type 81C was a tank destroyer. Man… No wonder nothing was happening when I tried to fire the missiles at the tanks.

/s

[Pangolin_Fan]

@Talvisolta

And you forget SPAA can only shoot in one direction at a time, so if your are outnumbered by planes

brotha saying a 70sp vehicle should get a 100% instant win in a 1v3 against 500sp vehicles. What next? he gonna complain he died in a 1v3 cause he rushed enemy spawn in a puma?

@Talvisolta

never hear someone demands SPAA to be untouchable

They don’t say it directly cause they know how stupid it sounds. They suggest dumb ideas that would remove any sort of counterplay (including an SPAA exclusive spawn prot buff) that planes could have. If you haven’t seen em, you haven’t been on forums or Steam discussions long enough.

@Talvisolta

And why do you think it’s 0 effort to use SPAA?

By playing SPAA. M19A1 and M42 are amazing. no1 expect an SPAA to leave spawn, and with their powerful cannons, you can 1-shot planes b4 they even realize they’re being shot at, or when they think they’re outside your range.

@Talvisolta

Ever tryed to shoot down plane on BR7.0 with the SPAA Wiesel?

Every tried shooting down anything above 6.7? I’ve gone entire games as SPAA and not seen a single plane spawn. Besides, Wiesel isn’t limited to SPAA, there’s a reason it’s as high as it is.

@Talvisolta

Most WW2 SPAAs shoot rounds at ~ 800m/s and even modern SPAAs like the Gepard reaches ~1000 m/s you have to pre-aim pretty far most times and have luck that you predicted the movement right

just get better at aiming, or wait for them to get closer. This isn’t rocket science bruh.

@Talvisolta

Moving closer to the capture points is no good idea as well, because of the other tanks who can take you out easily.

Why would you move to a cap point that has enemies? you can’t stop your teammates from being bombed when you’re next to enemies.

@Talvisolta

Are we still talking about a videogame? For me I say a PvP Game must be good balanced to ensure a fair competition.

SPAA is fundementally flawed. What makes it bad IRL makes it bad ingame, thats why they’re only 70sp

@Talvisolta

And right now CAS has an unfair advantage simply to the fact that most ground vehicles can’t defend themselves against them

uhh, yeah, spawning a 500sp vehicle would be useless if it’s weaker than normal vehicles

@Talvisolta

And those vehicles who are supposed to protect them end up most times dying invain by trying to do that. The average time I am alive with a SPAA is around 30 seconds (record was only 7), because it draws so much attention the enemy CAS players.

That is literally the definition of skill issue.

@GNDM_Panzer

And here I thought my Type 81C was a tank destroyer. Man… No wonder nothing was happening when I tried to fire the missiles at the tanks.

strange, you “quoted” something I didn’t say.

the original quote was supposed to be

@Pangolin_Fan

SPAA was built to shoot down planes, and it wasn’t good at it.

[RunaDacino]

@Pangolin_Fan

Every tried shooting down anything above 6.7? I’ve gone entire games as SPAA and not seen a single plane spawn. Besides, Wiesel isn’t limited to SPAA, there’s a reason it’s as high as it is.

God I’m jealous.

I bring out my cent mk3 and the skies turn into F84 and sabres and me262s on the regular.

Oh and Sk60bs. Sk60 has been the only jet I managed to shoot down with consistency so far, f84s need ambushing while they make a low pass. SAABs have been pure death.

[Pangolin_Fan]

Me 262s are about all I ever seen above 6.7, and ~8.7+ there’s basically nothing aside from rocket rushing helis and Su 25s

[JuicyKuuuuki]

@Pangolin_Fan

Every tried shooting down anything above 6.7? I’ve gone entire games as SPAA and not seen a single plane spawn. Besides, Wiesel isn’t limited to SPAA, there’s a reason it’s as high as it is.

For me its at 9.3/9.7 where very little CAS spawn. Each game was like 0 kills to 2 kills or 1 kill when I used the SANTAL…literally had to go to 10.3 to start seeing more CAS to use these SAMs more often XD Currently have a 4.8 K/D with the SANTAL, wasn’t even that hard to use. People just fire the missile just because they have a lock instead of waiting for the right time to fire and call it a bad SAM. Like nah…just use it right…

Every other Br I will find a good amount of CAS spawning to shoot down.

[Night_Trapper]

A simple sentence to which there is a rather complex answer…
The problem is that after the end of WWII, everyone was convinced that the next conflict would be at a strategic level using nuclear bombs…
The Korean War, however, showed the smarter ones that it won’t be like that…

So the CAS aircraft in Korea were these:

North Korea
_ ilyushin-10, Tupolev-2, Yak-18, Po-2 …

United Nations
_Corsair F4U-4B, -4P, -5N, -5NL
_Hawker Sea Fury

The greatest fame was taken away by the MiG-15 vs. F-86 and B-29 bombers,
behind them in the role of fighter-bombers were the F-80, F-84, F9F, Meteor F-8,
A-26 light bombers,
night fighters F-82, F-7F, F3D-2
reconnaissance and F2H-2 escort etc…

The Americans first tried to make an aircraft for direct CAS targeting, it was the AD-2/4 series aircraft, but it quickly became obsolete, so the next attempt was the A-4B and its next version, but it still wasn’t the same… Only the A-10 succeeded , but it is very busy even after years of quality service, in general there is a group of people in the USAF who promote the F-35 as an all-purpose aircraft, that it will be an absolute game charger in the field of any air combat, but there is also a strong group of those who they claim that the A-10 is irreplaceable and the F-35 is for CAS, too expensive a toy and definitely not a recipe for everything…

As for the Soviets/Russians, they tried different jet-bis variants for CAS, then tried to do CAS with SU-7/17/22 variants until they got to the Su-25/39…

What will be the future of CAS aircraft is uncertain, helicopters are probably over in this role, it looks like drones, either controlled from ground bases, or a flying control center of Airbus A-400M drone operators…

[Yolodanstagueul]

This thread is literally just CAStards trying to explain how they don’t have a massive edge with massive insta-kill rockets, mini nukes, F&F ATGM, and now in the upcoming update a whole dozens of gliding bombs with 90km of range with which they can literally bomb the entire map while out of range of even the god damn pantsir lmao.

But “muh SPAA costs only 70sp :'(((((((”

[jspene]

Yeah, it’s just coping to justify an unbalanced mechanic.

I’ve yet to see a convincing argument that justifies the existence of CAS in GRB other than “Gaijin wont make TO because CAS premium” and “people already bought CAS premiums specifically for GRB and they’d be mad”

[Smugspite]

@Yolodanstagueul

whole dozens of gliding bombs with 90km of range

you mean the ones that have 26kg of tnt and that can only hit a certain spot so the way to defeat it is it uhm slightly move to the right lol, im gonna be real if you actually die to a GBU-39 thats a massive skill issue lmaooooo everything else is a valid complaint tho lol

[Maldrokk]

Isn’t the sturmorser the only ground vehicle with more explosive mass than that?

[Yolodanstagueul]

You can’t throw “skill issues” around when you defend CAS buddy

[Smugspite]

maybe? not sure, the point still stands if you die to a GBU-39 from 20kms away then you were either camping or AFK so idk lol

[Smugspite]

alright lol, idk what else I would call dying to a 26kg bomb from 20km away is, it cant be updated after launch meaning A. you were AFK B. were camping or C. it was dropped on someone else and you ended up where they were which would be just bad timing.

[Yolodanstagueul]

Spawn a tank, die to a dozen glide bombs dropped from the stratosphere. Somehow you played wrong.

Drop a dozen glide bomb every 3 minutes from the airfield, get a few lucky kills from the sheer volume of ordinance you can send while protected by your airfield AAA. Somehow you are a very good player.

[Smugspite]

this is literally the same as just sitting in your spawn firing off a sturmtiger at the enemy spawn every now and then, like its completely up to chance if you kill someone and with how little explosive mass it has, you need almost a direct hit.

you strike me as one of the people that got really mad at that one clip of a guy tossing a GBU8 from 20km out randomly at the map and it kills someone, like bomb tossing or glide bombs from that far out are complete rng and if they kill their intended target thats means you were sitting still for ages

[Yolodanstagueul]

Evading the point and calling people mad doesn’t do any good to your side.

[Smugspite]

how is that evading the point lmao, my guy you are literally ignoring the argument I give also I guess you missed this part where I agreed with you, I was making fun of you complaining about a 26kg glide bomb that is more of a gimmick

@Smugspite

everything else is a valid complaint tho lol

Ive also been advocating to keep balance in line for gaijin to remove the Mavs and the KH38MT from the F15E and Su34 and give the F15E Mav Es instead since they are laser guided

[Pangolin_Fan]

no, I mean that’s all that ever gets spawned