Why do CAS players so vocally oppose any suggestions

J2M3 is hardly a UFO. Spoken like someone who will turnfight anything in a P-47 and be surprised when they lose.

Sure it would, I got a very close hit, and the japanese rockets aren’t very big. Planes that carry HVARs often get many more than just two (usually EIGHT) and they’re faster to begin with - and said planes can also carry bombs at the same time, which I can’t do in any japanese plane.

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You would sacrifice all your energy trying to get high enough to do it

brotha has no idea how thrust/weight ratio works

you would know cause you have more experience losing dogfights in P-47 than any of us

you severely overestimate the rockets of planes you don’t use. Not to mention, Wirbels, Kugels, and Osties have uncanny explosion resistance

you’re acting like you’re being forced to use planes with small payloads. Even then, Japanese planes get access to 20mm. The only American planes that get acess to autocannons AND decent payloads are either really far in the TT (F8F-1B, F4U-4B, Skyraider) or flies like absolute crap and is made of paper mache (P-61)

The 4.3 Corsair:

Can fit 4 HVARs, 2 1000 lbs bombs:

After dropping this payload, the 4.3 F4U-4 can then go on and duel Ta 152s and win (this is based on personal experience flying it in sim (altho there it’s 5.3 so it feels less stupid to have this much payload)).

The 4.0 BF109 (cannot create a custom loadout for it so these are your only options):

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All I’m doing there is exchanging speed for altitude, a Corsair that will be flying MUCH faster than a draggy J2M (and has +1000hp as well) can do exactly what I did and the -4B at the same BR is extremely good at low speed.

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You can do the exact same with HVARs and german 21cm rockets. Tiny Tims are easiest since they’re rocket propelled bombs.

In japan you don’t get a choice. USA gets fighters at that BR with much better bombloads than a J2M’s 2x 60kg (also shared by A7M2, N1K1-J, all A6Ms before the A6M5s) and AT BEST get a pair of 250kg bombs on a few select aircraft.

So does the F4U-4B at the same BR as the J2M3, except AN/M3s have a lot more penetration and rate of fire.

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Take a guess at which one is american and which one is japanese.

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.50cals are also not all that bad, and you get a lot more of them.

  1. That’s only 4 HVARs
  2. It has no autocannons
  3. It’s 4.3 (America doesn’t have a 4.3 lineup)
  4. Why are you using Bf-10 F4 has comparison?
  5. Bf-104 F4 will have custom loadouts soon anyways so your argument is invalid

Brotha knows nuthin about American TT. If anything you shoulda done F6F-5N

I know nothing about american tech tree.

Okay.

I guess I’m flying as canadian planes when I play.

And I’m using the Bf109 as it’s a similar BR rating with similar anti-fighter/self-defence capabilities.

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There’s some ultimate irony

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how does comparing Bf 109 and a corsair. They have nothing in common.

Corsair:
Heavy with massive engine
BnZ fighter
Built for CAS
Weak firepower
Large control surfaces and flaps

Bf 109
Light weight
Energy fighter
Built for intercepting
Very strong firepower
Small control surfaces

XD brotha talkin bout tiny tims as if they’re not worse than bombs in almost every way

yep, a major nation gets far more CAS options than the nation that got 2 suns dropped on it. big surprise I know.

Cool. that again is America only getting autocannons 5.3+ whilst Japan gets them from rank 2

Uhh, no, they are all that bad. 6 peashooters is nothing compared to 4 autocannons. Atleast Italian and Japanese .50cals can actually shred planes comparable to 20mm

… The corsair-4 very much doesn’t have weak fire power.

It can tear out a Ta-152 from the sky in a ~2 second burst. Sure, it IS weak compared to 4 hispanos where you can kill things in a simple snap-shot but you also got way less volume of fire.

Aim better.

Aim better. Rockets allow standoff attacks.

Perhaps it is because their autocannons are significantly better, have you thought about that? The F4U-4B has a total of ~3000rpm of 20mm on its 4 guns, that’s 50% more than the J2M3 assuming all 4 guns are hitting the target, which they won’t.

And the rank 2 versions are much worse, short barrel 20s with low rate of fire, bad velocity, low ammo count, and even lower AP penetration. Half of the guns on the J2M3 are of this type, so only half them are hitting a given target in most situations.

Funny you mention that though, because USA gets 37mm cannons with decent AP and ammo load from rank 2.

Aim better.

They have more penetration, better velocity, and much greater rate of fire.

Cool, that again is japan only getting at most 4x of them on any given aircraft.

Can’t have your cake and eat it too, either one country getting worse guns sooner is fine or it isn’t.

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It’s still far worse, and especially when it comes to CAS

just aim better

aim better

just aim better

no HE filler and lower caliber means less damage despite the higher firerate

damn I with I could get four 20mm grade .50cals on an American aircraft.

F6F-5 @ 3.3 has 6x .50’s and can carry 3x 1000 lb bombs and /or up to 6 HVARs.

P39 @2.7 has a 37mm cannon and a 500 lb bomb or 6M8’s

P47D-28 @5.0 has 8x 50’s and can carry a max load of a 8 HVARs, 6M8’s, 2 1000 lb bombs and a 500 lb bomb.

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cope mode: engaged

Really wish I had that video from ULQ_LOVER at hand where he destroyed actual tanks in just a second or two of shooting with the 4B.

Instead you get more than 2x the total RPM, still with more penetration. A-36 at 3.0 can get up to 10x .50cals.

Coincidentally, “Spawning CAS means you’re more skilled.” (more skill: Suicide a reserve tank into a capture point).

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and less damage

and F-82E gets ~17 (if you count the M3s as 1.5 M2) yet they’re almost never used to strafe. wanna know why? cause .50cals simply suck at strafing

Ironically yes, you’ve helped prove the point. As annoying as he is, he’s extremely good at WT

Yep that’s exactly the one.

You can see how hard he’s struggling to take out tanks and SPAA alike! /s

Also, single HVAR into Wirbelwind, instantly killed. Almost like that’s exactly what I said could be done…

Do you need to strafe with multiple 1000 lbs bombs strapped to you that will kill anything even if you got terrible aim dropping them? You are in an incredibly fast plane that can RTB, rearm and return carrying those 1000 lbs bombs within ~60-80 seconds with use of WEP. You also got air brakes to make landing even easier.

I’ve been killed by 1000 lbs bombs from many, many metres away. I also prefer using 1000 lbs bombs in sim because with them I can consistently kill ground targets.

Compare with the similar BR’d german fighters that need to basically drop the bomb on top of/next to their target to get a kill (sc250 or smaller bombs)

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Irrelevant when you’re out-shooting the J2M’s useful guns 4:1. And at 4.3 (for F4U-4), the only japanese 20s you can get have only 19mm of AP pen point blank.

Because it carries 2x 2000lb bombs and the players using it will usually blow themselves up?

Queue’s would be too long, that’s it