Why do CAS players so vocally oppose any suggestions

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2636

In my experience it depends on how effective the SPAA are in a game.

I have noticed when I initial spawn in an SPAA and start swatting every drone and helicopter that pops up and the first airplane, I see a lot less aircraft than if I drive a tank and let a few CAS guys get playing and cocky.

Couple weeks ago, before the big patch and BR adjustment I was getting 6-8 aircraft in a match and got wing-breakers back to back several times, now I’m lucky to see 4 aircraft in a lot of matches, including drones.

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2637

cause you cant cap in a plane or hold positions in a plane, and planes have short usefulness usually with them only having enough for a kill or two usually before having to RTB which wastes a lot of time.

2638

I mean, it’s like… 70-90 seconds to RTB, rearm and be back to drop another bomb load. And that’s with a 4.0 BF109F. A corsair will do that dance way faster and way more effectively. The runway is like 5 kilometres away, maybe 7-8 on some maps.

2639

Significant amount of time in a WT match, especially when it’s often far longer than this… You are basically talking about helicopter/VTOL jets using the helipads. Most planes have to spend longer.

Oh so you just haven’t actually ever tested this then

Oh so you DEFINITELY haven’t tested this then

2640

But why would You even RTB?

In most cases there are still targets You can kill with Your MGs.

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2641

I’ve tested it. Fly at B point on maginot line, fly towards airfield at 400 km/h and do stupid maneuvers to basically stall onto the airfield. Belly land or gun burst to slow down faster.

15 seconds rearm maxed.

Take off is 2-3 seconds and then accelerate to 400 km/h rapidly. Maybe you take 100 or 110 seconds due to climbing some but that’s still very little time.

Is it? You spawn in at ~22:45 and drop your bombs on someone still rolling towards a flanking position (or maybe even straight towards a point in slower tanks on hillier maps). You can repeat at ~19:25 and so forth.

In a 12 minute game, that’s going to be a lot of bombs and associated kills assuming you don’t get harrassed by CAP. God forbid the game lasts 20 minutes…

2642

You take about 3x what you said it takes. It can get longer at specific BRs… Please record yourself trying this and get back to me

2643

Most CAS players are not rushing CAS to this extent.

2644

How would it even take 300 seconds.

One-way flight to an airfield on a 5 km map is 30-45 seconds depending on your plane’s speed (300-500).

If I’m playing against america, there’s propeller noise by 22:45, 21:00 latest a significant portion of my games.

If I get maginot line while playing my 4.3 SPG lineup, sure.

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2645

I belive it is max 3 minutes (180s)

2646

It’s more like ~150-200

2647

Depends on the map and B.R., in most cases can take much lower.

2648

Prove it. When you record you are going to find out you are underestimating time.

2649

I’ll try to record it for You when I think about doing an RTB as in most cases there is no need for it.

2650

What is this A-1H thing, the other day this thing had 7 kills and was only 3 minutes into the game.

2651

pretty OP CAS plane

2652

Took me a few tries to get the “stupid landing” down to damage my plane just enough for repair timer to kick-in, but not extend repair time significantly.

F4U-4B Corsair on “Fields of Normandy” with 25 second repair time, 2x1000lbs. Earliest landing spot is about 5.5 or so

Drop first bomb on B: 01:00
Drop second on C: 01:06 (in real battle, you’d likely have a much bigger gap)
Rearm time begin: 02:20
Take-off: 02:50
Flying over C: 04:12
Dropping bomb on B: 04:20
Dropping bomb on A: 04:28

So there were 200 seconds between the bomb drops with a fairly untrained (25 second rearm) crew.

A maxed crew can rearm in 10 seconds, so it’s -15 seconds.

I’m confident you can land faster than I did.

So, I tried again on maginot(Winter)(battle) (earliest airfield landing spot is ~7kmish)
Dropped both bombs together at 01:30 on “A”
Started rearming at 02:51
Took off at: 03:20
Flew over B at 04:40
Dropped on A at 04:46

Here, time between the 2 bomb drops was 186 seconds, which would be 170 with maxed crew.

So!

Time from bomb drop to start rearm: Seems to be around 60-70 seconds.
Time from take-off to be able to drop a bomb : 60-80 seconds
Rearm time: 10-30 seconds (my highest trained non-premium aircrew takes 25 seconds)

Actual time needed to drop a bomb can vary of course depending on where enemies actually are on the map, your ability to spot them. However, simply being in range to drop a bomb (~2km) is pretty significant I think

And the corsair can drop 2 1000 lbs bombs, allowing a potential of 2 kills between fly-outs. It can also carry 4 HVARs for light/open top murder for even more kills/fly out.

It also has a built in airbrake for helicopter/VTOL style landings and is made for carrier landings (ergo: tougher airframe so wings dont snap off from slamming it into the ground). This is probably where you could get the highest timesave on my attempts as I feel I’m still not doing it optimally.

Video (when it uploads. Might take a year with my 30mbitU/3mbitD Superior Hungarian™ connection):

Spoiler

https://youtu.be/TzRyV5XHpaw

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2653

I do not even know where to begin replying to getting in CAS is a built in skill check when the wiesel 1a4 exists

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2654

Then why do SPAA exist in the game? The only job of an SPAA is to keep the sky clear, but if you say because of the SP difference SPAA shouldn’t be a valid countermeasure, that would mean SPAA have no reason to exist at all. At that point you can give the team who can get like 3 active Aircrafts simultaneously first an instand win. Simply because if you can’t defend yourself or your team against CAS you can directly leave the match because you can turn the tide anymore.

2655

so why should a 70sp vehicle get a 100% instant win against a 1v3 of 500sp vehicles without needing any effort or skill?

CAS haters for some reason think SPAA should be untouchable and take absolutetly 0 effort to use (it’s already kinda like that now).

SPAA was built to shoot down planes, and it wasn’t good at it. CAP is and always was the better option. It’s been the exact same from WW1 to modern day.

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