Other vehicles with the MILAN are either at much lower BRs or have a decent autocannon instead of a water hose.
Also, people complain about the Warrior pretty often lol.
No, that’s just you. Every suggestion in here has been perfectly reasonable to address their concern of the Marders being not great - allow the missile to be fired on the move and add wire snapping, or simply move it down in BR.
None of these suggestions would turn the Marders into something they aren’t or make them overpowered.
Now this is a pretty great suggestion! Can’t remember the number of times I’ve lost a sudden encounter because the damn ATGM wouldn’t fire.
And do absolutely nothing to them, yes.
No stabilizer, and I’d hardly call the autocannon deadly when many vehicles can ignore it from any direction.
The ATGMs are some of the worst in any IFV and the launcher only depresses -5deg. And you only get 4 of them.
It has good mobility, but worse than its counterparts.
sounds like a skill issue on your part. Try harder.
Warrior is fine, has slow fire rate sure, but again, i can make it work rather than complain, it legit had a slow fire rate, i would not expect the game to make into something it was not.
Ratel etc - shit autocannon. dunno why you think its better. The thing is crap - but i accept its crap and move on rather than demanding it moves down in br or give it a gun it never had.
If you think Marder is worse than a ratel, you need to broaden your experience mate.
Why do people always say this like it’s the only thing that matters? Low pen vehicles still often do fine or even better at lower BRs because they can still usually pen most things just with more difficulty, but their FCS and overall ease of use will be much greater than the tanks they face.
I simply believe Marder does better at BRs where there is less armor. In the 7.0 to 9.0 range, there arent that many thermals equipped tanks and those that are are usually lightly armored and can be taken out by autocannon fire at distance.
Deadly auto cannon that cant pen a centurion mk3 + from the side or rear pb yes great vehicle…
Play it before you spread that shit (7.7 marder)
marder is only good vs ifv’s and as AA
And even vs tanks like bmp1 bmp2 etc its rather a gamble …
Wow, the better vehicle works better? Who could have thought!
For like the 3rd time, nobody is asking for the Marder to be ahistorical. They’re asking for it to not be overtiered and worse than its competition.
Also, 20mm Rh202 APDS is underperforming HARD.
The Ratel sits at 6.7, not 7.7 or 8.0, and while it sees more armor, it has nearly TWICE as many ATGMs. Actually, it sits at the same BR as the Type 64 ATM, and out of those two its pretty obvious which one is better.
Also funny you say that its autocannonn is shit, because it’s pretty much the same as on the Marders.
We have an entire BR system just for balancing vehicles. With some care, pretty much no vehicle (outside of some super niche ones like MLRSs) should be bad and strictly worse than its competition.
So no, I shouldn’t have to accept that a perfectly competent vehicle becomes bad because its put against much better ones in its role.
I think that at least at least it would have to have at least a penetration similar to that of reality. For the moment the only arbitrary thing here is the penetration calculator that gaijin has created, which omits variables and makes the penetrations of certain bullets not look nothing like reality.
Lets make a minute of silence for marder because it cannot pen and kill every heavy tank in frontal. We are talking about a light IFV, what can possibly go wrong facing heavies directly? Have you any sort of survival instinct in general?
Once again, nobody here asked for the Marder autocannon to pen everything frontally. But right now it can’t even pen most medium tanks in the side at any range.
Okay no stab, fine, welcome to the club. You will need to learn how to read the maps and outsmart the heavies. Trap them. Sometimes you cant kill them, you can only slow them down, shoot their engine etc, let your team mates finish them.
Most medium tanks are invulnerable from any angle, and so are heavies. Shooting their engine isn’t possible without the ATGM. I’m not trapping anyone if I can’t even dent them.
If I wanted a scout and support tank, like what you are describing, I would play the Wiesel instead. Even though it is also unable to penetrate a lot of tanks it sees, it is small and fast enough to hide and scout effectively. Unlike the Marder it isn’t the same size as some heavy tanks.
