Why are the Challenger 2E and BN also 12.7?

Game Discussion Realistic Battle
,
1

Hi all, just wanted to open up a little discussion about the recent BR changes, I’ve seen some people say a lot of the same things in the Increasing the Maximum Battle Rating of Ground Vehicles and Helicopters thread, but figured I’d create a dedicated thread to a tank I feel doesn’t deserve the BR of 12.7

For starters the Challenger 2E has only one brief advantage over the Leopard2A7: It’s 5 seconds reaload aced, and maybe the situational top speed (Mobility and acceleration is about the same between them). The aced reload is only valid for 4 shells, before you need to replenish the ready rack, with one of the longest replenish times in the game at about 25 seconds aced if i remember correctly, which is not only unhistorical, but also a huge detriment to the vehicle.

The C2E has one of the worst top tier rouinds only beaten by the new Oplot, less armour overall than the 2A7, worse survivability and ammo layout, and does not belong in the same BR as the 2A7.

The BN is a tougher one, and can supposedly stay at 12.7 due to its incredible APS, but its speed, armour and ammo are still supstantially worse than the 2A7, personally i don’t have any better suggestion for it than more decompresion in the BRs to give it a more balanced placement.

I propose the Chally 2E be moved down to 12.3 alongside the Ariete AMV (I also think the Leclercs, and Merkava M4 should be moved down for those who wonder, or were about to bring that up).

Should the 2E be placed at 12.3 or even lower?

  • 2E should stay at 12.7 (Why so?)
  • 2E should be at 12.3
  • 2E can even be 12.0 (Why so?)
  • Other (Buff or otherwise)
0 voters

Should Chally BN be at a lower BR or just decompressed?

  • Keep it at 12.7
  • Also put it to 12.3
  • Decompression will fix it
  • Other (Buff or otherwise)
0 voters

Please let me know if there is any way i can improve this post or add something more to it

2

2E is rather mobile.
And Black Night has active CAS protection.

I haven’t had issues with Chally 2s at top BR personally, but I also play them identically to all other MBTs.

1 Like
3

2E has more top speed, but hardly has better traversal or acceleration compared to the 2A7, one of the worst shells at top tier, one of the worst ready rack systems, and least sustainable RoF. As well as having mediocre armour.

BN is probably fine where it is, also because it can intercept darts when they’re fired from far enough away.

I personally have had way more fun in Abrams, TKX and Leopard 2s. They play way smoother and ergonomic compared to the slow sluggish and hardly better armoured Challengers, and the challengers also, again, have the worst round, and worst sustained RoF in addition. The dream, yet unrealistic scenario, is decompression to 14.0 or maybe 15.0 where they have more space to be placed sepperatly based on their performance.

1 Like
4

Honestly.

2E should be 12.3 because the mobility buff is notable

But BN?

Its just a 2 with APS. 12.0 is more than enough for it

2 Likes
5

Thats a fair take, but I feel like its better optics and APS are a huge plus. If nothing about the reload or regenerative steering isnt added i suppose the black knight could be 12.3 in my eyes. Otherwise buffing the sustained RoF, armour and giving it regenerative steering should be enough to make it somewhat competative with other MBTs at the BR (12.7).

6

Better optics are nice… but only really come into play on the larger maps that are rare. Otherwise the Gen 2s are enough for me usually.

Yeah, APS and LWS are good defensive buffs, but situational. Wont save you from a closer range shot on a CQB map.

There are a LOT of buffs outstanding for all of them (keep an eye out for my CR2 overhaul post coming as soon as the dev forum opens up) But even then… Between L27A1s performance and other issues… Im hard pressed to place any CR2 on par with most 12.7s

1 Like
7

A very fair point indeed, this is also more of a map pool issue as well, and because its safe to say it wont change, I do have to admit you have made your point nicely.

The round’s performance is honestly the biggest issue for me, I’ve lost count of the amount of times it just clips into the backrooms on some random geometry in the enemy armour. L27A2, Ready rack patch, and a well deserved armour buff will probably make it fairly competative at 12.7, but still likely a sidegrade to 2A7 in some way.

Yeah i love your CH2 posts, so much good research you’ve done into them. I’ll keep my eyes peeled ;)

1 Like
8

Both should be 12.3.
BN has the hands down the best APS in the game that’s capable of negating darts, which is something that’s definitely worth a 0.3 BR increase.

1 Like
9

So 11.7 + 0.3 = 12.0 thanks for agreeing with me

2 Likes
10

if they gave the buff from that mega thread about the challys idk where it went, i’d say it’s a fair assessment to have at the current BR’s

rn i feel like 12.0-12.3 is extremely fair for it

(plus please make L26 stock shell for them)

1 Like
11

When an update goes live the dev forum for that update is hidden. (normally)

But I’ll be posting it again this major

2 Likes
12

Ur a legend

1 Like
13

I didn’t, see my first sentence.

1 Like