@Stockholm_Blend
Yet I’m in agreement that decompression needs to occur.
And you can argue that JA37D needs to go to 12.3 all you want, the facts remain that Phantoms turn better [which includes energy retention], and have a faster accelerating platform which is seen from that while having 2 more offensive armament.
4 "undefeatable [with countermeasures] head-on missiles vs 2.
So if you’re claiming to disagree with my stance that the F-4J/FG1 suffer due to 13.0s…
Are you here to disagree with everyone for disagreeing itself?
Or did you misread my posts?
I’m leaning toward you misread my posts which is why you’re trying to argue against F-4 FG1 having issues by… agreeing with me that it has issues.
Moving the OP 13.0s up, and moving the 12.7s that should’ve moved up with F-14B, fixes all the issues with British Phantoms, just like how moving the OP 13.7 and 13.3s up fixes all the issues with Mig-29 and F-16s discussed in other topics.
You claimed that Phantoms were not suffering at all before.
and now you are claiming Phantoms are suffering due to 13.0s.
We all were misreading your post. right?
Of course, Decompression is the best way to solve this bullshit FUBAR problem.
sending F-4J/S higher than British Phantoms, and Sending the current 12.3 like F-4EJ Kai(Example) even higher.
Sadly Gaijin is lazy and greedy enough to keep the compression for selling more prems.
8.0-9.0 Early Jets which are nearly unplayable in the nation without Sabre or MiG-15 may be an example.
makes climbing without premium Rank 7/8 hard and boring, which makes the player feel nearly impossible to climb up.
As long as Gaijin will not decompress the BR ‘as much as it needed’ but tiny one step[0.3-0.4BR] per [6 months-a year]
We only can talk about the detour, Buffing British Phantoms directly.
F-4J (USN) might be 12.3 with Tornado ADV if
USN prem newbies didn’t ruin the overall stats of the F-4J/S
BR were less compressed and F-4EJ Kai were 12.7
But no. Gaijin don’t ever think about Decompression ‘when it really needed’.
British Phantoms are sharing the same freakin BR with F-4J/S in nearly two forsaken years.
With Inferior SARH
You also know that Skyflash is inferior to AIM-7F. right? in both BVR and head-on.
and Inferior reward netting when base-bombing
When Rocketting were meta, British Phantoms needed to carry SNEB rockets which needed more than FFAR from the USA. needed more pods, worse drag and weight.
now Napalming is meta, British Phantoms can’t use Napalms for bombing and need to mount conventional 1000lbs. which are way heavier.
We waited two years, We suffered two years.
Still the Same BR, Still the Same Price. Still worse spec on every aspect. [F-4J(UK) vs F-4S]
Nothing ever has changed (If we just seeing Phantoms only)
I think it is just meaningless to wait for Gaijin’s decompression which will never come.
but Craving for a direct buff (AIM-9L or lower BR) seems having higher chance than decompression.
I quit playing F-4J(UK) anymore bc it feels like self-harming compared to F-4S.
If Tornado GR.1 should be 11.7 on ARB compared to IDS WTD61 because of ‘guided munition’
then why does F-4S share the same 12.0 with British Phantoms even though they have napalms, AIM-7F, with VTAS HMS?
It’s sad how saying that F-4J/FG1 suffers from compression is seen as provocative to some.
Oh well.
Also, this is the quote.
I’ve always had this stance irrelevant of how it may have been incorrectly typed.
Also all premium aircraft suffer from compression, only tech tree aircraft are under-BR’d.
My first post in this topic.
Just cause F-15A and Su-27 makes F-4J and FG1 suffer does not mean the Phantoms are the ones that are the issue when their 12.0 aircraft are weaker to on-par, and a couple are better than them, namely the under-BR’d Tornado ADV, but that’s mostly because of its radar, SuperTEMPs, and 9Ls. I use to disregard the SuperTEMP, R-27R, and Matra 530D until these last few months I’ve been using them… they’re far better than I gave them credit for prior; initial acceleration paired with good mobility makes a lethal missile.
Either way my stance remains the same.
Edit:
To reiterate previous points, my statement is not that FG1 cannot use AIM-9Ls, my statement only revolves around the consequences of giving it AIM-9Ls: Movement to 12.3.
Some disagree, however a slightly weaker aircraft than a Phantom with Skyflash + AIM-9L is currently 12.3: Kurnass 2000, Python 3s only, an AIM-9L equivalent missile with a longer range.
Of course Viggen was mentioned earlier, and while some have argued it has its old turn rate, it no longer does.
And while EJ Kai is the best example, it of course is arguably under-BR’d as of current, as is F-16A.
There are more aircraft that are the same BR as each other with the minor differences between F-4J and FG1.
I am opposed to both British Phantoms receiving 9Ls, and I have no opinion for one of them at this time.
All I came here to do was illustrate the consequences and point in the correct direction of why the 12.0 Phantoms have issues: Su-27, F-15A, maybe F-16A and Mig-29 as well, potentially others I’ll need reminders on.
And instead of being conflicted on opinion, people should focus on arguing for further decompression.
They moved the F-14B up to the BR of Viggen Di, Kfir C10, and Sea Harrier. It’s time to move the OP 13.0s up above those aircraft, and it’s time to move the problematic 12.7s to 13.0 to join the F-14B.
THAT will fix the issues, and is far easier to accomplish than pretending that a PD Phantom with Skyflash or better SARHs can be 12.0 WITH 9Ls. War Thunder has enough aircraft with problematic loadouts for their BRs, it doesn’t need another.
That’s the major poblem. In the slightest uptier you start having problems. And that’s in many vehicles… And when i say problems i mean sometimes there is no workaround.
That is why I peaked at mentioning F-16, cause 4x F-16s per side is easy enough to deal with. 10 less so, though there hasn’t been more than 5 in my matches whenever I touch 12.0.
The issue are the missile buses: F-15A and Su-27. Faster, stronger, more of a threat than an F-16 is to a team.
A Phantom can bait F-16s for his team mates, maximum 2 radar missiles, most likely used them earlier in the match.
Less so the Sukhoi and Eagle.
Combat isn’t about parity, and it also isn’t about F-15A vs F-4J/FG1.
So what you want to say is the Tornado F.3/ ADV needs to be 12.3, which is fair. The Tornado F.3 late should probably be a 13.0 too for that matter. The Phantom FG.1 should move to 11.7, as the FGR.2 is just an updated FG.1 and the F-111C to 11.3. The Phantom FGR.2 has no advantages over any 12.0 phantom apart from the acceleration. Therefore, there should be no issue in providing it with the AIM-9L, which is already prevalent at those battle ratings, as are all aspect IR missiles such as the R-60MK, PL-8, or even the R550 Magic 2. There would be no harm in giving one of, if not the worst 12.0 aircraft better missiles for historical accuracy or balance, or even just 6 Skyflash missiles to go with it. As for the Sea Harrier, thats just a worse AV-8B Plus. The Kurnass 2000 should be 11.7 or 12.0 due to its missile loadout, I agree, but comparing a heavier F-4 with a Viggen is stupid. The Viggen has similar flight performance to the Tornado I would assume, and as I mentioned in this comment, the Tornado should be a 12.3
Both the Tornado F3 and Sea Harrier FA2 and knee-capped by the same issue. BOL.
its 1/4 the strength it should be for both flares and chaff. Fix that, you fix both aircraft. F3 Late also desperately needs 1-2 Phimat pods. Until BOL changes occur. Many aircraft are woefully underpowered because they dont have their main advantage which is a decent CM count.
You almost forgot the F-4J(UK) too… Personally it needs to be at a lover BR than the current 12.0 Phantoms. But I think it’ll need a MASSIVE BR decompression to fit it in between the planes like MiG-23ML family and the F-4J/S+tech tree British Phantoms.
I really don’t understand why devs keep it at same BR as the F-4S
12.0 is absolutely where they should be in their current configurations (except maybe the J(UK) but even that is a lovely aircraft). You’d have them the same BR as the dogshit MiG-23s or even an F-4E!
Brit cope post
I’m saying that it turns better, that’s it.
I know Gaijin’s looking into missile count being 4 vs 6, I’m leaning toward 4 and F-111F gets nerfed.
There are other aspects. A player using auto-wing sweep will see the F-111s bleed more speed at high speeds due to the steeper wing angle compared to F-4 and F-14, but if they run semi-auto then their top speed is limited to mach 1.06 vs F-14 and F-4’s ~1.15 at sea level.
Yes, the Varks are slightly faster when in full sweep mode, but their turn performance quickly becomes Viggen-like if they choose top speed.
It’s a higher difficulty curve than just playing a Phantom or even F-14B.
Also @iboopy the F-111C is not an F-111A, its wing area makes it sustain turns better than the F-111F despite F-111C’s engines only being slightly better than an F-14A’s engines.
And maybe buff the skyflash is another choice.
It just behaves way too similar to E-2.It should show more resistance to multipath and better at managing its trajectory to hit the target.
