You are comparing one of the best MBTs in the game to vehicles much inferior to it.
Now please explain to me how you can put a vechle like a 2A5 and 2A6 as a comparison to a 122
Quote me where I did that.
Calling a 2A5 and 2A6 mid is not calling a 122 mid, how are those even similar in your mind? I mean
You never called them “mid”, I did by saying that, if 122s are “mid”, then 2A5 & 6 are “less than mid” to try and get you to understand how absurd your statement was, but it seems like it flew right over you head.
if we do not discuss armor they are pretty much the same as I said.
“If we remove one of their biggest advantages just cus, they’re the same as those other vehicles”
casually forgets spall liners all over the hull which give the vehicle superior survivability when hit
Hey, “if we remove 2A7Vs thermals and DM53, then it’s just as good as any other tank”.
You truly love your mental gymnastics, don’t you?
Now why are you comparing an extra armored 122 to a 2a6?
English isn’t even my primary language yet I am still more fluent than you, jesus. I asked you once already to quote me where I said that, either do it or pipe down.
ignoring how u did in fact forget the finnish 2a6.
the whole point of this thread is swedish leopards being better then german ones
u dont make sense at all.
end of the day sweden has the strongest ground line up of all nations
with the 2a7v being slightly worse then strv122s and every other tanks being worse then them
besides that your so called liked strengths of the 2a7v
all strv122s have gen 2 comamnder thermals and the plss has gen 3 ones as well
if you arent using hunter killer commander system that is a gameplay issue on yoru part
You are repeatetly switching around your opinion to make it convenient for your own sake, from claiming strv122 being a mid tank to it being miles ahead of everyone else
what is even the whole point u are trying to make here? because u dont make sense and are just speaking gibberish
the number of tank spawn dont matter at all, at that point u can say UKs 4-5 challengers spawns are equal to swedens 4 leopard spawns? you even hearing yourself speak here?
“I’m discussing a 2A5, and 2A6”. Are those one of the best MBT’s?
I quoted you in the one before, where you said “122s are mid” referring to a sentence where I’m discussing a vehicle with the same capabilities as a 2A5, and 2A6?
Exactly! If we do not discuss the armor benefits, they are the same tank. That’s not me saying a 122 with it’s armor currently as it is implemented is equal to a 2A6, or a 2A5. It’s me saying if we simply discuss all of the other factors, they’re equal, but if we discuss armor they aren’t as I said from the start.
Now please, stop putting words in my mouth and switching my arguments around.
It’s not mental gymnastics, it’s simply discussing other factors than just focusing on one. Is that so hard for you to comprehend? That maybe, I’m not talking about the armor when I explicitly say “other than that”, i.e. saying I’m not discussing the armor?
maybe that’s why I’m discussing other things, and not the armor, and when I am discussing the armor I point out it’s leagues ahead?
“other than that”, please read up on what that means. If you don’t understand what that means, I understand you believe I’m speaking gibberish.
Now please, point me towards an MBT that can pen the Leopard 2A7’s Hull upper front plate, and get back to what we were talking about. What real ingame difference does the additional 122 armor give?
If not, I consider this discussion over, as it has become an argument where nothing useful is said.
I’m not gonna entertain your poor attempt at trying to make me commit to a strawman.
It’s me saying if we simply discuss all of the other factors, they’re equal, but if we discuss armor they aren’t as I said from the start .
This makes zero hecking sense. There is more to 122s than just “muh armor” like, idk, spall liners? Do they just cease to exist when you have to make an argument? Last I checked, 122s have them all over the crew compartment, every other Leopard 2 that isn’t a 2A7 lacks them in the hull, on top of not having MEXAS-H armor. You pretending that we can simply ‘forget’ what makes 122s into the tanks they are just for the sake of creating a narrative in which they aren’t as good as they actually are (in your opinion, where you have a K/D of 1.2 in both 122B and 122A, while going negative in pretty much every single of your other high tier vehicles, includinng other Leopard 2 variant), is disingenous down to its very core and should be treated as nothing more than a bad joke.
You can rant all you want, but the moment your argument begins with “if we get rid of the armor, then they’re just as good as the 2A5 & 2A6”, that’s the moment where you become the whole circus… oh wait you already have done that.
You could have a K/D of 3.0 and I’d still say they’re bad, simply cus Gaijin can’t be arsed to fix them, but about you, as a player, having a positive K/D in them is as good as it can get, honestly.
Yes, that’s why I’m discussing the other features, that are not armor.
Yes, more to a tank than just armor. Glad you finally understand. Isn’t it quite hypocritic discussing that there’s more to a 122 than just armor, while you ignore any attempt at discussing any other feature of the 122? Crazy LMFAO
Oh yes, I apologize for not having several thousands of battles in every leopard I own!
So what’s the real difference, one tank that you never face at 12.0? That thing can penetrate almost any vehicle, now let’s be realistic here. Can an abrams do the same thing? Type 10? Leclerc? T80BVM?
Right, so why are you trying to make the armor of the 122s into a non-argument? Removing it from the equation like you have, isn’t the way to go. Said armor is what makes them into the tanks they are. You compare MBTs by taking all of their strong points and putting them against each other, not by choosing what to compare and what to not compare in order to paint a completely different picture of how the tank’s capabilites and say “if we do this, then they’re not as strong!” (i.e what you’ve done here). You’re honestly a hypocrite, you preach what you don’t even practice.
I could have honestly just called you an idiot for arguing about vehicles you don’t even own (German Leopard 2s) since you have no idea how they perform outside of looking at them in the hangar, yet I’ve given you enough courtesy to present your train of thought, only to be greeted with the worst argumentation ever of how a vehicle’s trait can be ignored.
Oh yes, I apologize for not having several thousands of battles in every leopard I own!
Strawman.
So what’s the real difference, one tank that you never face at 12.0? That thing can penetrate almost any vehicle, now let’s be realistic here. Can an abrams do the same thing? Type 10? Leclerc? T80BVM?
You said to show you something that can perforate the glacis, so I did, and now you’re backpedalling?
Nation mains really never change do they.
Please, use the tool correctly.
I’ve had this image saved on my hard-drive for longer than you’ve been playing this game, anyhow. It really doesn’t seem like you’re willing to give up on your narrative, and it’s not my place to try and forcefully change you mind, no matter how stupid of an idea its holding onto. So, Ima just move on.
How many times do I have to say it’s what makes it leagues ahead? Please stop trying with this strawman you’re attempting to create. I never removed it from the equation, simply discussing a whole other equation.
I’m sorry, but 99% of the things you call me a hypocrite over are things I’ve never said, or you taking valuable context out of everything. It’s honestly laughable how hard your trying LMFAO.
psst… I’m being ironic, y’know what that means? ;)
Are you running away once I point out the obvious flaw? I’m not giving up on my narrative unless you show me some real goddamn proof, not a picture where you have fabricated a lie. And you having that picture saved on your hard drive for several years doesn’t change the fact it proves you lied, lol.
Anyways, I agree with you. Argument over, have a good rest of your day/night.
I’m sorry, but 99% of the things you call me a hypocrite over are things I’ve never said
Mhm, alright Lil’ Hypocrite.
Are you running away once I point out the obvious flaw?
I’m “running away” because it’s no use talking to you, a person who has already made up their mind about the need to argue that we can safely forget 122s armor supremacy in an argument about how capable 122 is compared to normal Leopard 2s, lol. You are a nation main, a Swedish one-trick pony, who can’t even produce results in the objectively best MBTs in the game (122s), and has to spend his time on the forum arguing how they’re somehow worse than the 2A7s because apparently the difference in performance between DM53 & m/95 (lets mention how you completely rejected the fact that Sweden has a better spalling shell on the basis of using armor analysis) and 3rd generation thermals are enough to make up for 122s having better armor (122B+ even has better side armor), better mobility, and less weakpoints - when, you don’t even have the 2A7s. You are a literal lost cause.
tl;dr, since you probably don’t have a long enough attention span to read through all of that; your entire narrative is built on an assumption that people won’t call you out for using stupid ahh arguments, and thus this discussion is a waste of time as you have nothing else to present other than mental gymnastics.
And you having that picture saved on your hard drive for several years doesn’t change the fact it proves you lied, lol.
still to point out where I claimed a 2A5 isn’t mid, and 4 swedish leopards is equal to the 4 german leopards in numbers, you beefing with numbers now? (yeees, already pointed out I forgot to write in the one finnish leopard, cry abt it)
please, call me out and show some proof with it then. But instead of that, you’ve started to cry about my stats. “you are a nation main, a Swedish one-trick pony”, yeah that totally proves your facts weren’t fabricated lies, stop yapping man 🤣
and yet again, equal in numbers doesnt mean equal in capability which the whole thread is about and as a result your whole thing is useless and has no reason to exist.
you are running in a circle because you cant even comprehend the topic of this thread
it is relevant genius, because i was talking about the tanks at the same capability level, which apparently u missed the whole point on this thread
you yourself said leopards arent equal to the strv122 besides the 2a7v.
as such they cant be compared equaly.
sweden has 3 tanks on the same level as the one german tank thats a fact.
you are the one which doesnt get the whole topic
