So for it to be mid, it has to be stripped of all of its armor i.e basically making it a 2A5? Talk about mental gymanstics. Strv 122 comes with that armor pre-installed, so from the get-go it needs to be hit 2 or 3 times before that armor gives in, but that’s 2 or 3 times it can get away with a shot from the most powerful APFSDS, whereas 2A5 or 2A6 will just die with the first hit.
It can still stop all the rounds the STRV122 can.
It cannot:
2A7Vs arc protection is pretty inferior to Strv 122s. It also has more weakpoints, a more exposed turret ring, its mantlet is also a bit worse.
uh that’s like the definition of being average, 5 countries has better pen with 4 having worse? what are you trying to prove?
there’s so many leopards in the game, that you’ll either face the same mobility as you, or better like a french or Japanese tank. With only Brittain, USA, being worse and Russia & China falling behind with reverse speed only… that’s once again pretty much the definition of being average?
Ironic how on multiple ones it says 5-10 mm of additional armor LMFAO. As I said, slightly more armor. But those values still show no real difference.
Exactly! Really, everything except the armor is good enough or average in a STRV. They are extremely easy to play, however I do not believe they should be grouped with 2A7’s just thanks to the 2A7 improving in many of the areas where the 122 is just good enough or average. And the armor is really only up to who your facing, if he knows weak spots your improvements are pretty much nullified. The benefits can’t be exploited by a 122 player as a 2A7 player can use his, making the 2A7 way better. My opinion though.
And I’m not denying the 122 is leagues ahead of the other tanks such as the Abrams, just arguing for it not being as good as a 2A7.
IBD showed off a Leopard 2 TVM mod with the “finished armor” before the trials even concluded, and nearly every single book on the topic states Leopard 2A5 (TVM mod) and Strv 122 use the exact same armor which has been derived/copied from the TVM mod.
Two, we have evidence that the “German solution” was a completely different vehicle (Leopard 2 KVT/IVT) to the “Swedish solution” (Leopard 2 TVM):
I have both tanks, and 122s are quite frankly easier to use in confined spaces because their armor is a bit more forgiving, while you are a Sweden one-trick-pony who has never played Germany outside of their premiums. How do you know 122 is worse than the 2A7V, again? You don’t even have the 2A7V.
Heck, you saying 122s are mid is a joke in on itself, 122s, bar the Leopard 2A7s, are cream of the top MBTs with nothing else even coming close.
Nation mains like you are the reason why this game is as bad as it is.
yes, I’m saying that if you fight someone who knows his weak spots your just as useful as a 2A5. however if they do not hit that weakspot it is way better.
the picture you attached shows exactly that? no abrams, or challenger, t80bvm, ariete has 700mm KE. now look at the 600mm KE, no real difference. if they were to buff every round you’d be correct. Why are you trying to use something that doesn’t exist to win an argument…?
“And I’m not denying the 122 is leagues ahead of the other tanks such as the Abrams”. I’m not saying that it isn’t the creme de la creme? I’m quite literally saying it’s LEAGUES AHEAD OF THE OTHER TANKS Please, if you feel like just spewing lies then why are you here?
The same applies to the 2A7s, as such, moot point.
the picture you attached shows exactly that? no abrams, or challenger, t80bvm, ariete has 700mm KE.
It shows the coverage against mm’s of penetration, are you unable to read now?
“And I’m not denying the 122 is leagues ahead of the other tanks such as the Abrams”. I’m not saying that? Please, if you feel like just spewing lies then why are you here?
Pathetic. You didn’t even mention that Sweden has a 2A6 as well, making it a tie in terms of how many Leopard 2s both nations can bring to the table, right after saying that 122s are “the most mid-tanks”.
The 2A7 has better thermals, pen etc. It has other factors wich it improves on.
Yup, I forgot a tank. But don’t you read? If we don’t discuss it’s armor it’s one of the most mid-tanks? Do you intentionally not read? Not calling a 122 mid, in fact saying it’s leagues ahead of everything else. A 122 without armor is a whole other thing. Are you saying a 122 and 2A5 is equally good?
122s improve on mobility (64.3 tons vs 62.5 tons), on top of M/95 being a better round in terms of post-penetration effects, so we’re now going to start ignoring things 122s do better just because it helps you in creating your own narrative?
Yup, I forgot a tank. But don’t you read? If we don’t discuss it’s armor it’s one of the most mid-tanks?
So I guess that makes 2A5, 2A6 & PSO less than mid, thus still making the scale unequal and in favor of Sweden.
Not calling a 122 mid, in fact saying it’s leagues ahead of everything else
You only did so after you were called out.
Are you saying a 122 and 2A5 is equally good?
Here’s the strawman. I’ve been waiting to see how long it takes til you reduce your own arguments to nothing but logical fallacies since otherwise you cannot possibly argue that 122s are somehow “mid”.
Ofc, he hasn’t played anything but Sweden so it’s not like he can even compare m/95 to anything else. And then you wonder why nation mains are so hated.
Yeah, and I said that? I said that the armor on the 122 makes it way better?
Those are your words, not mine. You said the 2A5 is just as good as a 122, Would you mind elaborating on that? That’s not a strawman, that’s your words?
Please, if you don’t feel like elaborating on how the 2A5 is just as good as a 122, or showing me some actual proof of any of your arguments then what are you doing here?
(I’m sure you took only 1 look at the composite photo I made comparing the 2A6 and 122A armor wise while saying “equal” [in a sarcastic way, brah], and assumed my intention was to say that they’re actually equal, grade school comprehension issues fr)
He’s bad. Yes, I am stat shaming, because nobody who can consider themselves to be average will do this badly in an S-tier MBT like 122B, especially if said vehicle is spaded, just to say they’re mid under very specific conditions of surviving 10+ shots and having all of your add-on armor stripped from you.
I’m talking about a veichle like a 2A5 and 2A6, and you’re the one equating that to “122s are mid”. I’'m discussing a veichle like the 2A5, and 2A6. Now please explain to me how you can put a vechle like a 2A5 and 2A6 as a comparison to a 122. Calling a 2A5 and 2A6 mid is not calling a 122 mid, how are those even similar in your mind? I mean, if we do not discuss armor they are pretty much the same as I said.
But if we discuss armor it’s leagues ahead as I said Now why are you comparing an extra armored 122 to a 2a6?
this is talking about numbers of leopards, completely different from capabilities. “4 german leopards VS 3 STRVs.” where in that sentence am I talking about the capabilities of separate tanks? point me to it, please.
