Why are maneuver kills still not counted?

How many times will an enemy within 800 meters of you crash not due to your own maneuvers?

At what point will you stop whining about other user’s differing opinions and take the time to read them so you understand that no one here is stating the server will 100% definitively know the cause of a crash?

often cause trees or stupidity

Trees don’t cause crashes in a vacuum why did the plane hit the tree?

If someone pancakes cause they dove from 5,000 meters then I grant you you likely did not have a part in their death. This is still not always true since you could have noticed their dive and began a turn forcing them to miss and get greedy but we’ll assume this is the one singular time a crash can occur not due to your input.

What other moment of “stupidity” as you put it can you describe that occurs completely without input from the opposing player’s maneuvers?

Hitting trees only happens if you’re trying to evade an enemy plane and have traded your altitude advantage for additional speed hoping to disengage.

You have no concept of what can be gauged by a server, or by methods in the slightest so your close minded ‘nope’ is ignorance and fear.

actually, I fly at low altitudes regardless of if I’m being chased or not so

How do you have any energy to fight back at a low altitude.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0LwcvjNJTuM this is how
(its not a rickroll)

I quite enjoy going low and dragging people into engagements where they end up hitting the ground or breaking off because they’ll end up clipping the ground or trees.

You feel like you’re going to hit the ground yourself, but you know if you get through that move, they’ll be harder pushed to keep it tighter.

@BOMBAY9997042 Do wonder if we should clarify if we’re like, talking props or jets though.

Because like, I recorded my last 3 fighter kills in sim and they all involved us engaging at 1-2 km altitude and losing like 500-700 if not a whole kilometer of altitude as we maneuvered around each other.

Like, f4u-4b vs ki-94-II. I started the engagement at 2300 meters and 400 km/h. They passed me and I did a hard turn, going down to 270 km/h. We descended to 1800 meters and regained speed to 400 km/h. Then we began to spiral/turn/yoyo/scissor/whatever (idk what was happening) and finally got the kill at 1145 meters with 400 km/h speed.

Another started at 800, nearly stalled at 1400, then fell back to 800 where the kill was got.

Third one was at 500 and ended at tree height.

lol I’m talking jets like the f4 and f111

Maneuvering and failure conditions is definitely going to be very different in (modern) jets then, yeah. We’re probably talking past each other then.