Kinematically you cant its not possible same as how you cant kinematically dodge an R-60
G pull is a non stat it literally means nothing its all about Fin AOA and acceleration which in accel the the Phoenix beats it and in AOA its slightly worse though the Accel means it can change direction faster. if you consider the R-13M1 20g this would make the Phoenix 22g
This is just incorrect and cope. The R-60 is a 30g missile IIRC, and the phoenix is a fat missile with a ton of drag and 17g max pull.
Its not you Kinematically cannot dodge a Phoenix unless the guy fired it within 10km
G pull is a non stat it means nothing both the 9L and R-60 are 30G yet the R-60 turns harder there isnt a single non thrust vectoring missile in game that will ever hit you pulling its “maximum G”
Skill issue.
lmao, I love this irony.
How is it a skill issue to claim something obvious im just stating a fact that its not a kinematically dodgeable missile beyond 10km
If fired at max range, its a 450kg 17G missile that has run out of its sustainer.
If fired at medium range it can be dangerous if you dont notch it.
If fired at close range, its slow acceleration and heavy weight and limited pull makes it worse than sparrows.
Weight doesn’t actually massively affect AOA it also has a 30s sustainer it’ll easily travel 30km and still have the sustainer running for a couple extra seconds not that it has bad drag the Phoenix can travel 50km from a 9km launch and still be going mach 3
The only thing here correct is acceleration again the weight doesn’t matter it could weigh 800kg and wouldn’t be noticeably worse if fired at alt the AOA is tied to speed
It’s the correct point. A russian with an R-27ER disrupts one opponent. A tomkitty flinging phoenixes at the enemy disrupts multiple opponents simultaneously. This lets one player force several opponents to respect the missile and waste time evading. This splits up the cohesion of the enemy team and makes them present a less cohesive force once the two teams finally merge. The numbers advantage snowballs from there. This makes the phoenix one of the most influential missiles in the game even if none of them score a kill. The only thing keeping them from completely ruining the BR bracket is the fact that we have mirror matches and approximately the same number of tomcats are usually on both teams each game. The phoenixe’s power would be blatantly apparent if we didn’t have mixed matchmaking.
This only really works if its a coordinated thing by the Tomcat players, which it’s not. Plus, the missiles are not difficult to defeat.
There’s no need for coodination. The tomkitties throw phonexies down range. You just play the numbers. Some of those phoenixes will slap a noob that doesn’t know what the word notch means before the game even starts. Some will force an experienced player to burn energy and notch for a bit. Some phoenixes will double up on a target, but some of them won’t. That’s why the Tomcat is so oppressive. It lets one player disrupt many players and give his team a numbers advantage. Even Aces like Defyn can struggle against inferior players and planes when outnumbered.
The only thing, the ONLY THING, keeping the tomcat in check are other tomcats doing the same thing. If this was a collectible card game that would be grounds for banning usage of the tomcat in competitive play.
The weight wasnt mentioned with manueverability in mind but rather in a sense weight affects acceleration and how quickly it starts losing energy ince the sustainer runs out.
Weight literally doesn’t affect missiles after the booster runs out, a pencil and an anvil will fall at the same speed, what affects the missile after the booster runs out is drag and wing area.
Missiles aren’t falling. They are using the energy gained to maneuver. A larger missile requires more energy to maneuver due to its greater inertia
Your reading comprehension is astounding you see if you bothered to read i said after the booster runs out the weight literally has no effect on the missile after its motor is out besides the AOA being marginally worse over time
And your physics comprehension is astounding. Whether the booster is burning or not, in order to maneuver a missile must overcome its own inertia. The more massive a missile is, the more inertia that must be overcome, aka the more force required, aka the more energy is required.
And guess what the Phoenix being a BVR missile fired at high altitude doesn’t have to deal with this issue im sure you can figure out the rest
Are you fucking stupid? Even in a vacuum, inertia exists, genius
still doesn’t get it
Being this wrong is crazy
Tell me how a more massive missile having to spend more energy to maneveur is not relevant in a discussion about missile maneuverability. I’ll wait.