I think it goes deeper than that. There has been a ‘Made in China’ stigma for many years now. China also has its own geopolitical controversies in the South China Sea and elsewhere. However, these people bringing geopolitics into this game never actually realise their own biases towards these topics. Nor do they remember that this is a computer game and not an exercise in nationalism. I absolutely cannot stand how Israel has conducted itself in recent times, but I don’t let that stop me from enjoying the Ayit and other Israeli vehicles I enjoy. I cannot stand that USA invaded Iraq on falsehoods (muh WMDss), and then locked up and tortured people without trial, and then fled Afghanistan with their tail between their legs in 2021 - but I’m not going to let that stop me from enjoying the US tech-tree and US vehicles. People need to come to their senses on these topics. Thankfully, those people that can’t come to their senses are easily found out by them typically only playing a single Western nation while continuously hating on the USSR/Chinese tech-tree despite never actually using them.
Oh, and let us not forget that guy who sabotaged the Chinese tech-tree for years after its addition:
There are so few people using this forum, and there are only 175 people here with more than 1,000 players participating in the local survey of the Chinese community. I believe that even in other countries, the number of people attending will be greater than in this place.
I can’t think of 1 way the Leclerc beats out the Abrams, now if you want to argue the autoloader is a benefit that’s fine, but I think it’s a downgrade seeing as how it’s now a damageable component and reduces survivability by reducing crew count to 3.
There may have been a misunderstanding, When I say Russia was insane in 2020-2022, I mean in game (in terms of that being the period when they were dominant across all modes), this is in no way a political comment and I will continue to keep any of those opinions to myself, as you said, this game and forum is about a video game in which vehicles beat each other up at unrealistically close ranges.
Oh, that is refreshing. You’re referring to the T-80BVM hoards. However, if you study the forum - many in this community think that dominance continues, the cries of Russian-bias never left. The cries have just shifted more towards CAS and SPAA, for example:
I don’t know why people hate on the vt4a1. It might not look great on the protection analysis but in actual matches it eats plenty of rounds, the gun is good, the aps shoots down heat, atgms, dumb rockets, bombs, basically anything slower than apfsds. It’s also got really good mobility, it’s not as fast as the ztz99a/wz1001 which makes it feel slow but when you actually race against other tanks it’s got basically identical mobility to a leclerc.
Hilarious that before the most recent conflict a tank with a rifled barrel had the longest recorded tank kill. With a dart that was spinning so fast and dangerously out of control it was a miracle it hit…
Problem with the rifled/smoothbore argument is they exaggerate the negative effects.
Smoothbore is seen as the sniper rifle/so precise and the rifled barrle is the primitive flintlock musket.
That was my point, yes, and I added onto that by mentioning that many carry that belief over to Chinese tanks, hence why you don’t see many people think of the ZTZ-99 and VT-4s as “bad”, when they are fighting with the Chally 2s for that worst spot.
I voted VT-4, but I don’t really believe it is worse than the worst Chally 2 in this game from a gameplay stand point. More a protest that they’ve botched the specs on the VT-4 and it should actually be better than it is in-game. Chally 2 is mediocre IRL, and I wouldn’t be surprised to see it making this list. Having a tank be added to the end of a tree with specs that make no sense for what it should be is always getting my vote. And it is why many people in the Chinese community are very frustrated - the tree has been sabotaged multiple times since its inclusion and they probably suspect that’s what is happening here. Though, I’m obviously no Chally 2 expert, so maybe they face a similar issue (apart from missing spall liners) about the current specs seen on the various Chally 2s ingame.
Aren’t you saying the same thing?
Russian vehicles aren too unbalanced in 2020+, and many western players think Russian and China are eastern countries using similar vehicles, so they think Chinese vehicles are same strong like Russian ones without actually playing them.
Huh? He’s referring to when the balance was clearly in the favour of the T-80BVM, before they added Leopard 2A6/2A7, better rounds, etc. There was an actual unbalance claim to be made prior to their additions. Now the balance is clearly in favour of Germany, although they all have similar winrates, but ignorant people act like the times have never changed. Just like how ignorant one must be to assume USSR / China - same - same. Actually - playing China is a good gauge of how nations are doing and what MBTs are good or not, because you have to face just about everyone, including USSR.
As an Australian, I pity any other Westerner who hasn’t given either of these trees a go.
Anyone who doesnt vote Ariete is just biased towards their main nation imo.
I dont even play Italy and i pity the players who play any Ariete MBT, it’s just sad.
Also works on Western TTs.
Once I saw a dicussion on Tieba, about is it reasonable for the new Wiki only accept who have played the vehicle to rate it. Though some players think they could know a vehicle with only versus them, most of the players think it’s necessary. For example, you would know Type 10 have 4s/r autoloader or CR2BN have APS that can destroy sabots, but you won’t found Type 10 is really easy to penerate or CR2BN have such bad mobility.
Sadly most players are country mains, cause it’s harder and harder to get the top BR vehicles as more vehicles are added to the TT. This makes less players would know about all vehicles, and new players would care about these top tier vehicles on the community cause they afraid what they get is a trash, even they not really joined a top tier battles yet.
If you think a preset is best should consider CAS, Heli, SAM and more, Russian is still have one of the strongest preset cause Kh-38s, Pantsir, Vikhrs and more.
Also, the you in what you quoted is plural form.
I believe that most people have basically never played vt4a1, vt4a1 has a slow start, I think his maneuver is similar to Merkava, one is fast in reverse, one is fast in forward, but there are many problems with vt4a1, his head can’t bear it, sometimes his APS doesn’t take effect, he doesn’t have a depression angle, and the most terrible thing is his loading, Do you know how painful it is for me to go around to the back of the enemy because the reload takes 7.1s to kill at most one, and even they can slowly swing their heads and turn around to kill VT4, and it is almost impossible to ricochet on the head of VT4, most of them can’t be carried, and there are still ammunition racks inside, when 7.1s are fired, when your ammunition rack is not detonated by the enemy’s counterattack but damaged, you can retreat and even if it is the trump card, you have to repair 20s+7.1s reloading
Is it hard to get to top-tier? I don’t agree. As long as you have a premium account it’s all easy, and you’ll be picking what nation to play next soon enough, if people are willing to give other nations a go. Granted, not everyone has the time available to play often and to grind too much, but I don’t think it’s just these people that haven’t had a chance to grind others. There are some pretty prominent complainers on this forum that have been playing this game a long time, but only play a single nation while crying about others. Whether people want to admit it or not, there are plenty of nationalists in this game thinking they’re representing their nation. Like they’re serving their country by playing War Thunder.
Never said it isn’t. I agree. I’d love to have an SU-34 type CAS available to the Chinese tree. But it’s not as biased towards the USSR/Russian tree as people go on and on about on these forums and Reddit.
