The USA has LWS on its helicopters
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We were talkng about ground vehicles not helis…
As I said, we have helicopters that have it. I dont believe any tank other than maybe the m60ambt has it, but I dont have the ambt. Maybe I should have specified that only helicopters have them.
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Never argued as such, and you’re ignoring ignoring the benefits of SAL especially in short and crowded maps which is more common than big maps (as you have pointed out)
Not sure what tank you’re using but with the T-90A/M, and 2S38, I rarely have this issue. Unless the enemy is directly above you which is rare to see in top tier, you will get pinged.
It’s not about what ordnance you have, it’s about what you can do to survive against spaa. You will never survive against IRIST in a non-LDIRCM helicopter where as you have a chance with planes.
That’s a poor comparison
What are you sacrificing for LWS? Nothing… It’s better to have LWS than not to have one.
Which are still common because it’s a good alternative if you don’t have enough SP for IR agms.
Last time I checked, Heatfs doesn’t cost less SP.
Again you’re acting as if LWS is replacing thermals, getting rid of commander optics or severely increasing the weight of a vehicle. It’s not doing any of those. At worst, you will not be lased and at best it’ll give you an extra layer of situational awareness. There’s no tradeoff…
He means turning of the laser and dropping the bomb and then turning the laser on just in time
my bad, I read it too quickly.
Though I’ve already explained it to him that this tactic only works when the enemy isn’t moving. Even then, depending on how far the target is, the agm will become more inaccurate over distance which forces you to turn on the laser earlier resulting in the enemy reacting in time.
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If Sep v.3 comes out, I will immediately use gold to unlock it. Both the car and the mods on the car, I will not endure the hassle of grinding to unlock them anymore.
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It would be great if every top tank from every country deserved to have the same LWS system. This system shouldn’t be limited to a few countries. I’m also cheering for the top German and Swedish MBTs to get LWS as well. But first, at least give LWS to USA IFVs, or give new USA vehicles with LWS systems to the research tree.
They didn’t mount them irl
Depends how specific you are, they have been trialed on various vehicles and it would be far from the highest impact Gaming Convention of the features that have been conferred. In terms of non-standard / amalgamated configurations.
It’d be on par with the T-80B getting to retain thermals when it was fitted to a single prototype.
The AN/VVR-4 for example has had ~500 sets placed on order and partially delivered at this point in time, to be installed as directed.
Vehicle Protection Systems (VPS) AN/VVR-4 Laser Detecting Set
"This procurement was restricted to Danbury Mission Techonologies, LLC for a maximum 510 AN/VVR-4 Laser Detecting Sets, 40 Laser Diode Pulsers, and 38,350 hours of support services. This is a five-year Indefinite Delivery Indefinite Quantity contract with Firm Fixed Price CLINs for hardware and Cost Plus Fixed Fee (CPFF) CLINs for services.
The Determination and Findings under 10 USC Section 4022, Authority to Enter into a Follow-On Production Contract or Transaction, was approved on 12 July 2022."
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Then there is no debate from me on this subject.
You’ve provided at least some form of source materials to back up the fact they could slam it onto bradley.
Would be nice TBH for it
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So yeah, you just admitted Laser is niche which implies LWS is niche as well.
I think this discussion ends here.
You don’t need to keep the enemy lazed for the entire 30s flight time lmao.
This forum never ceases to amaze me.
With the recent change to the SLM you might be able to survive if you dip down in time.
It should add weight to the vehicle.
You don’t lose much but you don’t gain much either, so using it as an argument for vehicle balancing at top tier is delusional at best and malicious at worst.
Who said people will even spawn equipment with 2020 guidance system ?
Just a quick comparison to show how and why LWS is borderline useless at top tier.
No tradeoff for a borderline useless system.
It gives you basically nothing so asking for it is meaningless as the whole system is meaningless and it will just keep getting worse and worse as the time passes.
So you want to hover up and keep lazing the target for multiple seconds ?
That gameplay is hard countered by 2020 AAs.
I’m sure JAGM has enough energy to maneuver in the last few seconds of the flight when fired from a helipad 5-6km away.
tbf laser only becomes niche at the higher BRs where tanks with LWS are more common
Well I’m talking about top tier specifically.
LWS is more useful in lower tiers.
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Nope,
As mentioned in prior posts FnF struggle in small clustered maps due to the amount of dead enemies. You yourself acknowledged small maps are more common than big ones.
did I ever say that?
That recent change being? I’m aware of when the IR seeker turns on which is now 4km. This is a buff for LDIRCM helicopters. helicopters that don’t have them are still at risk.
Not by much. what’s more delusional is you assuming that OP is arguing that it should have it for balance. Neither I or him have argued as such.
If they don’t have enough SP or if they need to do precision strikes. Maybe play CAS lol?
It’s like having CE-only capable ERA at top tier. It just slows you down
It’s not a comparison because it’s not a tradeoff. Use a different comparison.
It gives you additional layer of awareness against laser guided munitions.
Since you want to start talking about the future. Laser will most likely be used more. IR since they shouldn’t most agms use a copy paste of the Mavericks. The majority of IR agms should start tracking at a much closer distance which would make FF very common.
If you actually play helicopters, then you would know that positioning is the key to being successful. It’s why even when LOS spaa where the only type that existed, I succeeded in the Ka52.
No, I just tested this out, at those ranges, if the enemy is smokes even when the agm is 3 seconds away, it’ll miss.
It’s extremely funny when a someone that hasn’t even touched CAS tells a player who has that laser is niche.
Can second that.
Been abusing my merkavas RN and I take them to top tier with the Kfir C10 every now and then, the LWS is a bloody godsend against cas.
I’ve no idea why people are saying it’s anything but a bonus.
On the BN it allows you to survive the majority of helis as well as fixed wings while not having to waste all your APS
Meanwhile Laser struggles everywhere and only really works in niche cases.
No one said they’re safe, just that they have more time to hide now.
So yeah, pretty much an useless addition.
Keep in mind that your precision strike machine is hard countered by 2020 AAs.
That 100-200 SP reduction isn’t worth it for extremely inferior system. Just spawn two tanks instead and I’m sure you’ll do much more impact with the same amount of SP, especially if AA is up.
LWS system isn’t weightless.
Extremely niche system that has ran it’s course.
Layer of awareness against niche system, great.
Not to mention that your awareness might not come until the last moments, where reacting to it might not be possible.
I doubt they’ll do that without major changes to the game and knowing how much Gaijin loves changing the gameplay, I don’t think things look good for Laser.
Not to mention this would likely bring LOAL into the game, making CAS pretty much invulnerable to AAs if played right.
All the while praying that AA player is bad enough to proxy on your missiles.
Even one of the best manually guided missiles pales in comparison to FnF ones, speaks volumes.
This is under the premise people will automatically pop smoke the very second they get a Laser warning, which is honestly very naive.
Them being this trigger happy would make those vehicles almost unusable due to being smoked out for minutes at a time lol.
No need to play CAS in order to know that Laser is niche, it’s pretty much a simple observation in late 2025.
Niche bonus*
Mate it is in fact handy between 10.3 and 12.7.
It’s not that niche at all, actually saves me quite a lot.
Coming from using tanks which all have LWS back to grinding those which don’t, you definitely notice it.
That is if you use the LWS properly.