Yeah and not nearlt every country has it at top tier, let alone on their MBTs.
So yeah what you said earlier is false.
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So when will the ground vehicles of the USA research line have LWS??? Not counting the heli and Merkava tank events.
And I will continue to ask this question until the game adds LWS to existing vehicles or adds new vehicles with LWS to USA.
He’s repeated it a few times as if it suddenly changes the fact.
- Italy has no ground vehicle at top tier with LWS last i checked , at least no MBT
When they implement it on an actual tank?
The SEP V4 isn’t in game yet.
Not if they didn’t use it IRL they don’t.
Or until the thread gets locked.
You realise they would need to add the sep V4 to give LWS to the US tree, the only abrams that has been trailed / tested with it and it was a cancelled program
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The system from Sep v.4 has been transferred to be installed in Sep v.3. Go read the message above for details.
France also only has 1 leclerc with LWS, none of the Strv 122s have LWS, most of the T-series don’t have LWS (iirc), none of the Challengers have LWS either iirc.
So yeah the US will get a vehicle with LWS eventually, at least I hope, just like other nations will evntually get MBTs with LWS (hopefully).
i didn’t know France got one? nust be the leclerc I don’t have.
The T90M has one but that is it and they only got that recently.
CR2 BN a LWS that I do know
As do I , though niche I find it to be quite handy to have ! :D
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No of the Leo’s in the German tree have LWS either
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AZUR got it, but only like 6-7 months ago because of a 2 year old bug report.
Yeah I forgot about them for a second.
Oh nice I look forward to getting it when I go back to grinding the MBTs, Gonna get the mSC then go for the Jaguar and run a nice little 11.0 lineup with MSC; Jag and Super etendard.
out away from the top tier SPAA xd
I can’t use my etendard against em at all
yup no leopard has LWS but remember USA suffers.
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Technically both sepv2-3 can get it via the trophy APS. Also multiple SEP V4’s were made so the SEP V4 can still make an appearance in game. Not to mention the future M1E3/M1A3 once its actually released and produced in a couple years. Plus U.S.A is missing so many vehicles like SHORAD systems, AMPVs, LAVs, 30mm Strikers, and so many more.
Again not necessarily true via the Trophy aps system which can be mounted on the SEP V2 and even Bradleys which would be neat
Trophy APS
I mean they can also have it too with the addition of Leopard 2A7A1 or just the 2A8 with APS.
Note: The Trophy system like nearly all APS systems uses both laser warning system and radar to neutralize/ Identify threats and defeat them
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In hope it does tbh.
The sep V2 as far as i am reading hasn’t had it fitted yet , only V3 which is wicked as well as ofc the v4.
As far as im reading hasn’t been fitted to the SepV2 but correct me if im wrong.
Yeah it’s neat little system
Yes which requires the addition of new tanks, our other friend is simply demanding LWS on the High BR abrams
Yeah SepV2s have been fitted with trophy. But I actually don’t know if it includes a LWS, if i remember correctly base trophy works off radar and you would have to include your own LWS which I’m not sure the SepV2 does. I think they were tested independently from each other on the SepV2. But I’m not 100% sure.
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Ah I see, so that is where my mix-ups coming from, thanks man.
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FnF is meta for a very good reason.
Laser has it’s uses but by definition it’s niche in late 2025.
Yes, it has niche use cases just like LWS does.
Not to mention Laser munitions don’t even need to trigger LWS until it’s too late for the tank.
For planes you pretty much have Kh-38s or Hammers.
It is considering you’re getting the meta guidance over the 2020 FOTM one.
Having 16 IR JAGMs is infinitely more useful than SAL ones and thus that 100 SP difference is insignificant, just like LWS is at top tier.
The fact it can only get to work against a dying breed of missiles place it in the niche category instantly.
It’s like having CE-only capable ERA at top tier. It just slows you down and in most engagements it will be outright ignored by enemies’ weapon systems.
Even against CE munitions you need to pray it isn’t tandem or that it gets aimed badly.
All three of those can hold each other’s hands and walk into the sunset of “nicheness”.
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Well, they should detect (and react to) the Rangefinder’s pulse too, and you are really relying on RNG going in your favor at that point since the INS can be quite inaccurate, and doesn’t predict the point of impact for moving targets very well so can produce fairly large aim-point errors in the terminal stage that can’t be corrected. Trashing the shot. Also that’s partially down to errors with the modeling of the smoke grenades, modern formulations if they were accurately implemented would be quite a bit faster than they are in deploying.
Edge cases do exist, and provides Post Release Control, so they can be retargeted mid flight, as well as allowing for increased precision, for targets that have voids in them, such as some of the recent TELs that were added, due to the launcher placing the centroid outside the vehicles volume from some angles which entirely defeats the IIR JAGM due to the “missing” proximity fuse.
Just going to point out that you don’t passively generate SP do you, so if you can’t afford IIR, SLAH is the best you get within the available SP budget.
Only because the sheer prevalence of man-portable CE weapons IRL isn’t modeled very well in game (since we get to freely tailor ammo loads) and is very heavily skewed towards KE threats solely by the nature of lacking infantry, and proper use cases for CE shells.
Mostly because modern systems such as the M32 ARAT II tiles are not property configured to confer defense against Tandem charges, due to their effect being handwaved and implemented, simply as “bonus” penetration instead of being modeled as such (still waiting on the TOW-2B’s dual warhead to be modeled properly).
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that I have to challange, they certainly do trigger it within ample time frames.
It surely depends on what you’re being engaged with and from what range. If the missile is still agile enough to make course corrections, you don’t need to be lazed for more than a couple of seconds.
the LWS picks up pods for any form of guided munitions, Helis for example set it off while they are KMs out, and you can pop smoke and react, same with planes firing LG weapons be it missiles or bombs.
Believe me I’ve been in both the cas and the tanks firing and being fired at.
LWS gives you plenty time to react to guided missiles and or bombs, darts though, not often xD
You can’t pick up laser emissions if you aren’t being lazed at that point in time.