Which cost more than laser guided weapons… Maybe play CAS?
FnF for planes is usually 200sp more.
FnF for helis is usually 100sp more.
You could get 1 kill + assist and easily get in a helicopter with JAGM (SAL) or 2 kills and get in a plane with AGMs(SAL).
Again, it’s quite useful in general
80UK is hardly a top tier vehicle anymore.
The higher you go, the more useless LWS becomes.
Get another assist and spawn infinitely superior weapon type.
No it’s not at top tier, you’re just coping to the maximum at the moment.
The sepv3 and sepv2(with aps) has LWS. I mean they haven’t even added the thermal viewer for the CROWS system or the Commander optics for the M1A1. Yes it is an optic the commander could use just no fire control system. I could go on about all the inaccuracies but I wont because Gajin forbid a somewhat accurate Abrams in the game.
Which may not always happen, and you’re also conveniently ignoring the downsides of FnF which is that it only works when the target you’re tracking is in open space. Like you said before, many of the maps are too small making FnF agms going for destroyed targets common.
You should probably play CAS rather than speaking as if you do
You’re also ignoring the fact that a helicopter can fire off like 160 IR JAGMs in the same time period you land your 16 SAL ones lol. It’s much more convenient and effective to use FnF, it’s meta for a very good reason.
Laser guidance is so 2020 and it shows.
That’s why you can send much more FnF missiles down the range in the same time frame.
Not to mention AAs will be much more problematic for you if you use SAL weaponry.
And you should stop coping because this is getting lame to be honest.
I think even ESS is more useful at top tier than LWS, speaks volumes.
Doesn’t change the fact, that it can only work in open space. You can fire 16FnF and all of them will hit a destroyed target if the enemy is near it.
Laser is not meta, never argued as such, but it’s far from useless like you’re implying. It’s why people don’t bring only FnF and will have a mix of both. Anyone who has played CAS will say the same thing.
Which only applies to SACLOS spaa. Even then, the new JAGM (SALH) are really effective at flying on their own and guiding them in 4-5 seconds before they hit because of it’s better flight performance.
Unlike you, I’ve been on the attacking and receiving end. Those with LWS, will survive attacks from laser guided munitions, than those who don’t.
What? You mean smoke that’s invisible to thermals.
Considering we saw it being modeled on the last dev server it is most likely coming, just have to be patient.
But as others have said it was never officially added to any variant so consider it lucky gaijin has gone this far already.
the abrams are some of the best MBTs in game?
They do in the HSTVL, a premium HSTVL; two premium M1A1 HCs which are effectively M1A2 levels of tank.
then ungodly amounts of good planes.
got things like the F5C which have been overperforming for god knows how many years, A historically equiped with flares and such as well.
Which gives one of the best most well varied ground trees in all of WT yeah ? that US ?
Keyword if.
Laser is fine without enemy AA up, otherwise it’s close to useless.
LWS is niche as well, working in very rare situations and use cases.
Only.
They’re pretty much the best counter to current LDIRCM helicopters.
If you can just guide it in the last couple of seconds then a guy with LWS won’t have time to hide either.
Surviving specific attacks (not all) from a dying breed of munitions, what a good system don’t you think.
Yes, even that has more uses than LWS which by that point you know the latter one is just a deadweight on your tank slowing you down.
small maps are common making enemies being next to destroyed targets common.
Which is quite common when early game. and like mentioned before there are tactics to overwelm spaa by spamming laser guided munitions and guiding them in last 4-5 seconds in.
Yes but it comes at the cost of being ineffective against planes. It’s a lose-lose situation. You need to carry both or you have to hope that your team has one.
Only works against stationary targets which is why that tactic works mainly against spaa. You’ll have to pop up sooner, maybe like 6-7 (or more) seconds which gives enemies with LWS enough time to react.
not really. It’s cheaper, and has it’s uses.
still have yet to list out said uses.
ESS is more of a detriment since teammates use them in the most inconvenient of times.
People aren’t just hugging wrecks all the game.
Until someone spawns AA first.
What you described is a massive waste of time, where for every SAL missile you can fire off 3-4 FnF ones at the very least.
Okay, last time I checked helicopters are much better anti-ground than planes are at the moment.
Not really if you don’t actually aim right at them until the very end of guidance.
Marginally cheaper for a vastly inferior experience, it simply isn’t worth it.
It has niche uses just like LWS, we can agree on that.
Someone might actually think that smoke isn’t ESS, giving him false sense of security.
Very niche tool, just like LWS.
Of course, it can. but as only being non-serial production equipment it’s entirely up to Gaijin as to what can be found where, look at Dozer blades for example only one M1 Abrams (the M1A1HC, the M728 CEV is the only other one in the US tree ) has the capability to equipt one where every singe M1 in game should have the capability of mounting one of a few designs.
It only propagates as Gaijin feels necessary.
Of the nations that currently have an AH-64E implemented, yes but there are other options, such as (probably not, North) Korea as referenced in the below excerpt.
As the -MR itself is still a projected variant that has yet to actually see type classification the only nation to have the JAGM-MR is the US, and even then I don’t actually think it has undergone flight testing which is the accepted standard cutoff for prospective ordnance & stores.
So Gaijin are bending a lot of accepted rules, and existing precedents to even add it to the US. But to some degree seems like the position was to add the -305, come hell or high water, and so had to reach for some system to avoid (rightful) accusations of bias. Especially considering how lazy the implementation of the JAGM actually is. All to avoid a problem (MMW seekers) that they created and won’t accept that there are solitons too (multi-spectral obscurant smoke formulations).
It’s more than that, the -MR isn’t even projected as an option for the US until 2032 or so, so it’s a prospective, “what if”.
If gaijin feels that balance is needed, things will be added to avoid a reduction in BR, otherwise it goes up.
I’m straight up expecting the SEPv3 to turn up with the M230LF mounted to the CROWS with M1211 HE-VT shells off the Abrams-X demonstrator at this point. And hell If we’re going that far I’d prefer to see the 120mm XM943 or advanced GL-ATGM
they don’t need to, they can just pass one, and it’ll switch tracking. This also applies when two enemies are close to each other. Sometimes, the tracking will switch back and fourth resulting in the agm missing. the point of me bringing this up is to show that FnF isn’t all perfect, just like how laser isn’t perfect. Both has it’s uses.
You’re forgetting why this conversation is brought up. I’m not justifying that laser is superior, I’m justifying that laser has it’s usefulness not to mention, it’s cheaper than FnF munitions. There’s a reason why Vikhrs (not cheaper), JAGMs(SAL), LGBU, and other laser guided munitions are used in top tier. To say that it’s not used is laughable
only applies to the 3 helicopters with DIRCM. As for as the rest, you might as well being planes as you have better chances of surviving.
100-200sp is not marginal at all, especially if you’re wanting to quickly get into a helicopter or plane. This is not just for the individual, if two or three people get into helicopters, even with laser only guided helicopters, they cause so much havoc. In late game, when you’re tight on SP, it’ll also come in handy.
To say that it’s as niche as ESS is laughable, considering one works most of the time, and the other works on thoughts&prayers.
Maybe play CAS? Using JAGM(SAL) early game or late game has been very helpful to the team but tanks with LWS completely counters it making me go for other targets that may not be so important.
If you do that than a lot of other nations don’t have LWS on their MBTs.
It comes from common sense. Don’t you have it? Every tank can be equipped with it.
Substantially more than you do it would seem.
This thread alone has shown time and time again abrams weren’t fittef with LWS bar on the sep V4 prototype and that was cancelled.
Or should now every cr2 get it cause the BN which is based off a cr2 base platform get it?.
no
LWS Top Every country deserves to have this system.
