Where does Gaijin get its information on Relikt armor?

[Von_Valinor]

wtf?

[CofCof]

He’s probably a NATO main anyone who says that NATO is just as strong as, or even stronger than, Russia, he thinks is just ragebaiting

[H_ngma]

@CofCof__

You need to play a lot with different nations to understand the complexity of balancing, not using KD and win rate as metrics is a start,

“Please dont use the objective data proving me wrong and instead rely on my totally not biased opinion.”

@CofCof__

because I can guarantee that even if you put 16 top-tier Americans in a team together, they wouldn’t make 3 players.

And why would that be different for the by far most played nation in the game?

@tripod2008

Well, kind of the Tri seeker was tested with the AGM-169, and the JAGM-MR isn’t yet in service.

Im pretty sure Lockmart did test the 179 with tri mode seeker in 2022 and then later the US dropped the tri mode requirement due to cost?
But never the less it still means that there is proof for its existence and a test which is already more than we ever had for the 38MT

[I_Morpho_I-psn]

@H_ngma_

Im pretty sure Lockmart did test the 179 with tri mode seeker in 2022 and then later the US dropped the tri mode requirement due to cost?
But never the less it still means that there is proof for its existence and a test which is already more than we ever had for the 38MT

Lockheed said they did a test > On international market for sale

what is this standard

[CofCof]

@H_ngma_

And why would that be different for the by far most played nation in the game?

That’s where the Russians come in: they’re easier to play due to their characteristics they usually have fewer weapons but they’re easier to use. The Kh-38 is the prime example, easy to use, fast and fire-and-forget. But for me, the Spice and now the GBU-53 are much more powerful, though they’re harder to use. Russian tanks follow the same philosophy too.

@H_ngma_

“Please dont use the objective data proving me wrong and instead rely on my totally not biased opinion.”

Actually, unlike many people here, I play everything not so much on the ground, but in the air I’ve literally got every top-tier aircraft model in the game

[Von_Valinor]

@CofCof__

He’s probably a NATO main anyone who says that NATO

More pylons for the F16CM and F16V

I am actually main French. I play with almost all the nations in the game. Several nations in the game likely received the F16V. But I really enjoy playing with China too. I have a lot of fun playing with the minor nations. I grind all the minor nations (with the exception of Japan, which I’m grinding now) before grinding my first main nation, which is the US. ((I’m researching the f16CM right now, actually). Yes, I fiercely defend China and Israel because they are the most wronged in t…

I was recently accused of being a staunch defender of China.
I am now part of NATO.

[H_ngma]

Uhm yes manufacturer info is actually worth something because the 38MT is literally not on sale and was never bought.

[H_ngma]

@CofCof__

That’s where the Russians come in: they’re easier to play due to their characteristics they usually have fewer weapons but they’re easier to use. The Kh-38 is the prime example, easy to use, fast and fire-and-forget. But for me, the Spice and now the GBU-53 are much more powerful, though they’re harder to use. Russian tanks follow the same philosophy too.

Or, get this, maybe their stuff is just better? If you cant use Spices properly due to a Pantsir SM SV but lobbing a Kh38MT at a IRIS T is no problem then the equipment might just not be balanced.

@CofCof__

Actually, unlike many people here, I play everything not so much on the ground, but in the air I’ve literally got every top-tier aircraft model in the game

Thats very nice for you. I guess well consult you for balance then when russia mounts Relikt on airplanes.

[CofCof]

@Von_Valinor

I was recently accused of being a staunch defender of China.
I am now part of NATO.

It’s a bit of a problem, isn’t it? On this forum, you either agree with everyone, or you’re a rage baiting, or you’re just trolling, or you simply don’t know how to play

[Oilydischarge]

I do well with china…/shrug

[CofCof]

@H_ngma_

Thats very nice for you. I guess well consult you for balance then when russia mounts Relikt on airplanes.

I have americana an russia tanks top tier :).

@H_ngma_

Or, get this, maybe their stuff is just better? If you cant use Spices properly due to a Pantsir SM SV but lobbing a Kh38MT at a IRIS T is no problem then the equipment might just not be balanced.

The same argument: if the Russians have PODs, they only carry 5 Kh-38s, whereas anti-air systems carry 16 missiles

NATO, 12 Brimstones, 8 Spices; 20 Spices; 6 Mavericks, 12 Spices; need I go on?

[Von_Valinor]

Check my forum activity, or my recent posts.
I am being consistent with what I stand for.
Now you’re the one resorting to desperate attempts to undermine someone’s credibility by accusing them of being biased, ragebaiting, or trolling.
The only thing I did was disagree with you and be consistent with what I stand for.

[CofCof]

And you’re right to do so, but you’re the exception.

[H_ngma]

@CofCof__

I have americana an russia tanks top tier :).

Ok but not

@CofCof__

a lot with different nations

@CofCof__

The same argument: if the Russians have PODs, they only carry 5 Kh-38s, whereas anti-air systems carry 16 missiles

Doesnt matter if the AA with 16 missiles cant intercept the 38MT reliably due to its speed.

@CofCof__

NATO, 12 Brimstones, 8 Spices; 20 Spices; 6 Mavericks, 12 Spices; need I go on?

All extremely slow and easy to intercept especially with 96 missiles

[CofCof]

@H_ngma_

Doesnt matter if the AA with 16 missiles cant intercept the 38MT reliably due to its speed.

I don’t know what games you play, but personally, for every 1.5 missiles I fire, I manage to shoot down one KH-38.

@H_ngma_

All extremely slow and easy to intercept especially with 96 missiles

Yes, in a scenario where you’re only playing to use up ammo but you’ll never take 96 missiles, stop being biased so we can have a healthy debate

[H_ngma]

@CofCof__

I don’t know what games you play, but personally, for every 1.5 missiles I fire, I manage to shoot down one KH-38.

IRIS T SLM for example struggles massively with 38MTs. And its not like thats the only AGM russia has.

@CofCof__

Yes, in a scenario where you’re only playing to use up ammo but you’ll never take 96 missiles, stop being biased so we can have a healthy debate

Does the argument really change that much when its only 48 missiles or whatever?

[CofCof]

@H_ngma_

IRIS T SLM for example struggles massively with 38MTs.

I won’t comment because I don’t have it, but it might be a problem specific to Germany. however, bear in mind that this could change they’ve altered the initial flight phase of the vertical-launch anti-aircraft missiles, which might make a difference.

@H_ngma_

Does the argument really change that much when its only 48 missiles or whatever?

It might be 48. At the end of the day, it’s the same as with the original Panstir, at the end of the day, it’s a clash of skill. Some might say the original Panstir is excellent, but I think it’s useless against people who know what they’re doing. I see the new Pantsir as a way of giving Russia a means to destroy all the projectiles from an aircraft something Russia couldn’t manage before, not even with the Buk or the Pantsir, even if all the missiles hit their target.

[I_Morpho_I-psn]

@H_ngma_

Uhm yes manufacturer info is actually worth something because the 38MT is literally not on sale and was never bought.

The Kh-38MT was added based on the information on MTE from Rosoboronexport, Tri-Seeker JAGM is in the exact same boat of not being on order either.

[luque13]

Hahahah oh you are serious. Buddy Relikt is nothing special M829A4 and DM83 will cleave through it.

Because NATO doctrine demands it can

[PantherBait]

Y’all, the whole point of this post is where is gaijin getting its numbers.

Can we keep it on track or no? There are a million other places to debate stuff.