also dev just got updated to .26 and even developers themselfs admitted that F-15E/I, EFT and Rafale are different from all the other aircraft by changing their BR to 14.0, wich means they(developers) knew this fact as well, when they added F-15E/I a month ago, just as @Bad_Karmaツ said:
Next big air update may well be the SU-30SM, JAS 39E, and J-10B/C which would bring the current worst top tier nations up to the level of the Eurofighter, Rafale, and F-15E/I.
Two of those aircraft have been leaked already, and the Gripen E doesn’t seem like too much of a stretch bringing it’s A2A loadout up to par with the rest of top tier by adding two pylons
Likely the 2nd update of the year
I’m more trying to address unrealistic expectations, and if I was the decision maker at Gaijin I would be doing the same. They want their bonuses and so would I.
yeah, they may be unrealistic, but we should still voice our opinions and not mute others by saying “we suffered enough, now it’s your turn”
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List of another 4.5 generation fighter
🇺🇸 : F-15EX and F/A-18C/D (integrated AN/APG-79(V)4 AESA radar)
🇨🇳 : J-11BG, J-11BHG, J-15T, F-16V & F-16C/D Block 72 (🇹🇼), J-10CE & JF-17C (🇵🇰)
🇮🇱 : F-15IA
🇬🇧 : Rafale EH, Su-30MKI & Tejas Mk.1A (🇮🇳), F/A-18F (🇦🇺), CF-18A HEP (🇨🇦)
🇯🇵 : Gripen E (🇹🇭), Su-30MKM (🇲🇾), F-16D+ Late & F-15SG (🇸🇬), KF-21 & Rafale F4 (🇮🇩)
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In case of the F-16V, US has no F-16V
Nations having ordered the latest F-16V are Bulgaria, Bahrain, Morocco, Jordan, Slovakia and Taiwan.
F-16i Sufa, is a Block 52+ Aircraft and does not feature all F-16V features. Although lots of stuff is done by Israel itself, I would not call it a gen 4.5. Sufa has no APG-83 AESA Radar.
Swedens 4.5 gen fighter is practically just the Gripen E, which the Italians technically have from the EBS HU, but it’s a super toned down E.
(E should have the ‘Raven’ AESA ES-05A radar, which is arguably way too advanced in the current meta with the paired airframe and weapons that would come with it)
Not in production, true, but PoBIT is bringing older blocks to Block 70 standard
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When have I said this, I have never suffered as I don’t play top tier yet.
My point is rather we can’t make a difference other than sitting still and waiting.
Yes we can and for that we should voice our opinions and bring a constructive critique.
also by voting with your wallet, a.k.a. not buying anyth untill the dev hear us out.
I would bet that the next update will have more 4.5 gen aircraft and have been in plans for a bit now. You just can’t expect it to come this update. “But they could have delayed it, so it all came at once”, Gaijin will and always include hype bringing vehicles to their updates even at the expense of balance e.g. F-15E, Pantsir.
you’re right, other gen 4.5 aircraft won’t come till next update, also we won’t see a R-73/R-77 fix for a long time and much more stuff won’t come, that’s why i will vote with my wallet and voice my opinion, so that maybe there would be more people like me and devs would stop using such underhand tactics, cuz it’s not okay to do so
I’m hopeful that the SU30SM revives USSR top tier air, but doubtful.
The FM will likely be a carryover from the SU27, with TVC. R77-1 is needed, but according to Gaijin, having a sustainer motor doesn’t make the missile much different.
And to be honest, it will still never compete with the EFT. It’s simply inferior.
It’s likely to be too little, too late.
Anything russia can feasibly get in the future will be inferior to the typhoon, no amount of gaijin’s balancing will be able to make up for the sheer technical and performance disparities
that’s just not true, if they fixed SU-27/Mig-29 FM, R-73 thrust vectoring(still spins out at low speeds and high AoA) and R-77 FM(drag too high at supersonic speeds) AND THEN added something like Su-35S/Su-27M/Su-30SM/Mig-29M2 it would be compatible to EFT and F-15E
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Right lets break this down,
Modern Russian radars have been proven far behind western counterparts, nothing new there
The R-77, while underperforming in game will not evolve all that much, R-77-1 barely improves the missile past the addition of sustainer, and R-77M isn’t real uet iirc, whereas typhoon will get later blocks of AIM-120 and later Meteor which in a sensor and kinematic sense far outperform the R-77s
The R-73/73M/74 are all outperformed by IRIS-T, in all departments too
Soviet airframes will evolve at some point with better engines, lighter weight and TVC, but still aren’t doing much at all to a competent EFT pilot in a missile OR gun only dogfight
The only way to give russia a realistic advantage is to hamstring everyone else, and in the games state rn that looks highly unlikely
Do not encourage this type of behaviour on the forums, doesn’t benefit anyone
it’s a game and it’s not about the use same era tech, but by bringing comparable tech to all nations
it’s never about what is real or not, it’s a game, they still limit everyone by “balancing”, cuz most of the stuff is still classified
This is really the best take. I’m a German main, especially with air, so I definitely get the frustration people have with it, and even get the “now it’s their turn to suffer, haha !” feeling, but the reality is that we should be avoiding this sort of thing in the first place. There’s a lot of aircraft that should be added to multiple trees (as applicable) when they’re first introduced, or, even better, introduced at the same time as a foil or equal is given to the countries they’ll be fighting.
As usual, a lot of this would be much less of a problem if they just made the matchmaker ±.7 instead of ±1.0.
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