What? Why are you comparing a heavy fighter to THE light fighter, the Gripen E’s direct counterpart is a J-10C
I mean comparing light fighter to light fighter, I would say likely j-10c is probably the best which has proven combat records unlike the gripen
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Statisticically inferior so I’m of the opinion an equally skilled and equipped Gripen E pilot would beat an equally skilled and equipped J-10C pilot
Is combat record all that matters? Messerschmitt Bf 109 vs f22. Well, the f22 has one balloon kill, while 109 has 25k. I guess 109 is better.
What im trying to say is that while combat record is important, it shouldnt be used to make a decision and overlook everything else.
Let’s see, j10c has longer range missiles and it has much better thrust to weight and wing loading….
If gaijin didn’t make the gripen c as fantasy as it is currently the gripen e would likely be much worse than what it’s gonna be.
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While I commend the PL-15, the Meteor has a far larger NEZ because it’s got a throttleable ramjet engine.
Do you have a stat, because i’m interested to see J-10C TWR with a WS-10 compared to a Gripen E with it’s uprated F-404
Take the missile range with a grain of salt buddy. There may be a reason the export version range is cut down by nearly 150km.
Pakistani J-10CE scored a kill with a PL-15E at over 210km, so it’s a stupidly long range missile, but I’d guess it has a worse NEZ (the thing that matters in BVR) to a meteor
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i guess china is just like that
J10c is around 8660.2kg. and thrust of ws10b special mode is 15000 kgf. Ofc this is bench not installed thrust, but would yield 1.732 (impossible irl because of thrust losses when installed but who knows, apply like a 5-15% loss of thrust when installed).
Compare that to gripen e here, too lazy to do the actual calculation for it (should be around 1.2, vastly inferior)
Taking about empty thrust to weight for both
I wouldnt say much better thrust to weight ratio. If we calculate in drag, they may be closer than what you think.
Thrust to weight has nothing to do with drag, you’re thinking of acceleration with air resistance
Yes i know. What i tried to convey is how much that thrist to weght difference actually helps when it comes to practical situations.
That is nothing new, it really isn’t. Eurofighter and Rafale as well as F-22, and F-35 have had this for a few decades.
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Can you list these systems below, preferably with a brochure attached, and their respective capabilities?
And I’m not talking a sensor-based threat computer linked to a betty, I’m talking about the full battle management AI advertised by SAAB, which is supposed to optimise BVR and other mission sets to the point that it’s only flying the pilot has to focus on
This is what SAAB have to say about their Arexis integrated EW suite:
‘The system’s AI-powered intelligence minimizes the workload on pilots, allowing them to focus on their primary objective. Arexis automatically analyses the electromagnetic landscape, identifies threats, and deploys countermeasures, ensuring continuous protection even for entire tactical units.’
And their Centaur ‘AI Copilot’:
‘During the flights, the Gripen E gave control to Centaur which successfully, autonomously executed a series of complex manoeuvres in a Beyond Visual Range (BVR) combat environment and cued the pilot to fire.’
In layman’s terms, the jet will acquire and lock a target, allow the pilot to fire, then automatically notch, chaff and jam the opponent all while minimising human input, something that everything you mentioned doesn’t have access to.
Funny how people want proof for avionics and other systems that have had exercise/war combat experience and proven equipment/missiles
But when it comes to their own missiles such as meteor, they have gather(none but just online critical mass thinking of whats better) links that tell them or hype up a missile like meteor and give it extra 80km range to make it better than pl-15 lmao.
Pl-15 is an aesa radar missile and a proven 149km kill, literally combat kill of atleast 3 jets from 4th gen to 4.5th gen, meanwhile on what basis , whilst Meteor itself has been officially claimed to be only 120kms, do these guys keep arguing the meteor has more range lmao. Source is themselves they made up
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N-No you don’t understand!!?! It a throttleable ramjet that means it’s obviously better than anything else…
(Even though other missile’s in its class developed after it’s introduction have forgone a ramjet for some reason…)
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Does the gripen E have worse turn performance? Energy retention etc?
If the Gripen-Es EW wasn’t that good Germany wouldn’t put it on their new Eurofighter EKs