i think the slower f15s are fine at 13.7 they arnt worse by a large margin but they arnt a lower br by a large margin either.
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Lol what?
We talking about the same plane that can bvr from 50km on 3d gen jets? Yes i think it should go up to 13.0 like f14b
Sure why not put av8+(has even better acceleration then f15c) and f4f ice too cuz they have 120
Ur logic is dumb no one agree with u
U want to be diffrent or smt but u are so wrong
F15e has more thrust then f15c when it stock!
U live in a bubble
You know what the slowest 13.7 is? Mirage 2000, it takes almost 4 minutes to get to mach 1.5.
F-15C takes 2.5 minutes.
Yet people claim that F-15C being as-fast in acceleration as Rafale, and marginally slower than Typhoon makes it worse… that’s a terrible take.
And now @noamax is claiming that F-4F ICE with its 4 minute time to mach 1.5 is equal to F-15E and F-15C.
AV-8B can’t even reach mach 1.5.
And it’s funny that noamax post portrays their thinking that the US military that developed these tests don’t agree with me… despite me using their tests and me agreeing with their tests… well, not the US military specifically but all of NATO that developed these tests.
F-15E weighs a minimum of 4 tons more than F-15C, and it’s closer to 5 - 6 tons in match because of peoples’ preferred fuel amounts.
I was kidding its your logic and in the 1000 time f15c isnt on par with f15e u said that not me
Go now to x ray and see the diffrances in the engine
It has like 2 ton more thrust
@noamax
I’ve been saying F-15E/C are equivalent this entire time. I never said otherwise. A marginal difference in acceleration for notably worse general flight performance is an equivalent factor, not a superior factor.
I’ve also said that F-104S and F-4E are equivalent, and Kurnass 2000 is superior to F-104S ASA despite F-104S ASA being faster.
Also noamax, I’ve been developing raw data for the last 2 years… I’ve been involved in over 50 bug reports of supersonic aircraft; I know how to get this data, I know how to do these tests because I took the time to learn.
I use the exact tests real-life militaries use. If you don’t like it, go complain to NATO.
yeah i know the f15c is pretty fast in a strait line but it feels like it hits an acceleration wall at the medium altitudes that the euro and f15e don’t have as much and it can keep up with the rafale but that jets better in every other stat than speed and missiles so its fine, aslo wouldn’t the j10 need to be 14.0 too since it was just as good as the f15c in the previous meta
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Oh now i see u didnt even played the f15c
U played only the f15e
Well try the f15c and u see its not that good as f15e
id actualy agree that the f15E is only marginally better than the C but i think those margins are fairly addressed by the .3 br gap
Its not minor its 2 ton more thrust on low alt
U know the f15c has worse engine then f15a below mach 1.4?
Both F-15s hit an acceleration wall.
J-10A is equal to Mirage 2000/F-16 in acceleration. All of which are around a minute slower than F-15C minimum difference.
The exclusive reason I haven’t played more of JM is cause of ground event and nothing to research with it.
The fact you’re now just copying my posts. I get that you didn’t know engine differences until I told you today.
the wall hits at different top speeds tho the f15c slows down a lot at 1800kph at 6000m while the f15E will easily hit 2000+kph at the same altitude in less time, i think the speeds between 5-6000m are the most important since thats kinda the meta alt and that where the f15e starts to gap the f15C and other old jets
Lol i didnt copied anything i saw it on matt video when the f15e came out
Aircraft performance is more than just engines.
I apologize if any of my statements seemed upsetting BTW, we’re both players with our perspectives and I respect yours despite my disagreement.
Not just that it also get ther quicker
Listen f15c engines are only better when u are very high and very fast
U right that f15c is better at df but that isnt smt to raise the br for since u dont use that
While f15e has much better acceleration on low speed until 1.8 mach
Also the nerfs for the f15e berly effected on low speed performance
I tell u f15e has more ttw when it stock! So imagine when u spaded
F-15C weighs ~6 tons less while having weaker engines, that’s why it’s equal.
~3 tons from empty weight, ~3 tons from fuel weight.
Plus the fact that F-15E has a generally worse flight model than the F-15C on top of the mass difference.
The TWR is higher, but that doesn’t help it outside of acceleration.
Yak-141 has the best acceleration in the game, it dogfights at best as well as an F-16C due to its design and flight model and is significantly slower in top speed.
Yak-141 is to F-16A what F-15E is to F-15C though the F-16A and Yak-141 have more differences.
It’s okay for slightly different airframe performances to be the same BR.
Mirage 2000 5F and F-16C are the same BR despite the F-16C being better in airframe performance.
Because a good mirage will smear the floor with a good F-16C in 99% of engagements
Kind of my point.
F-15C being able to pull 11 - 12Gs vs F-15E’s 8 - 9Gs peak AOA helps in high-speed maneuvers when they’re needed.
Yeah, the F-15E accelerates faster and THAT is why it’s able to keep up with F-15C in capabilities.
They have ever so slightly different playstyles, very slight. Both are fast boom-zoomers, just the F-15E can’t pull AOA when it’s needed, and the F-15C can; and both can do long-range BVR because of the mass differences.
I’m not saying that F-15C should be a higher BR or that it’s superior, all I am saying is that they should be the same BR of 14.0 because the differences are sidegrades.
The difference between F-16C and F-15C is larger than the difference between F-15C and F-15E.
Even the difference between J-11A is larger than F-15E from F-15C.
Idk the numbers but u need to realise that in fox 3 meta the acceleretion is way more important then df performance
So bcuz of that the f15e is much better
Also the yak141 has better acceleration then the f15e only until mach 1 and maybe even less and i tested it myself
15c is on par with f16c and mirage2kf but typhoon will shit on it in every cenerio exept very long range bvr when u allready mach 2
And im saying that as someone that has 180 games on bazM and 123 games on f15i
If u have such a hot take u need to rethink of it
Try them both fully spaded cuz i saw u didnt even spaded the f15e