Also peoples’ personally opinions mean nothing.
Raw data disproves everyones’ opinions even my initial ones.
I admitted my initial opinion of F-15E was wrong, why can’t you?
I incorrectly thought that the acceleration difference would matter in matches, and I thought its speed would matter more. Not only did it have a marginal difference in matches before the nerf, but post-nerf it made it so the differences were negligible due to the flight performance hit due to higher drag and higher fuel mass. And when I found out I admitted I was wrong and changed my stance based on new evidence.
F-15C and E share the same weapons, radar technology, countermeasure type and >120 amount.
F-15C has superior flight performance [F-4E], F-15E has superior acceleration [F-104S].
Also, if acceleration is everything why is F-14A IRIAF 12.7 when it accelerates worse than every 12.7 and many 12.3s. It’s a factor, but not the only factor, there’s a reason it’s 12.7 and it’s not because of its trash acceleration.
Like what?
First of all below mach f15e accelerate much quicker and secind u can argue f15c is strong against 12.7 aircraft and such so its a br compression issue
but not better then f15e
The acceleration is much better and btw 10sec less is a massive diffrance and yes if 99%of ppl saying f15c is not undertierd u need to check yourself
Only in df which means nothing(and very high speed but u dont get to this speed)
Are u fr?
F14iaf has the best fox 3 in game against r24 and matra 530f
This must be a rage bait
You know what the slowest 13.7 is? Mirage 2000, it takes almost 4 minutes to get to mach 1.5.
F-15C takes 2.5 minutes.
Yet people claim that F-15C being as-fast in acceleration as Rafale, and marginally slower than Typhoon makes it worse… that’s a terrible take.
And now @noamax is claiming that F-4F ICE with its 4 minute time to mach 1.5 is equal to F-15E and F-15C.
AV-8B can’t even reach mach 1.5.
And it’s funny that noamax post portrays their thinking that the US military that developed these tests don’t agree with me… despite me using their tests and me agreeing with their tests… well, not the US military specifically but all of NATO that developed these tests.
F-15E weighs a minimum of 4 tons more than F-15C, and it’s closer to 5 - 6 tons in match because of peoples’ preferred fuel amounts.
@noamax
I’ve been saying F-15E/C are equivalent this entire time. I never said otherwise. A marginal difference in acceleration for notably worse general flight performance is an equivalent factor, not a superior factor.
I’ve also said that F-104S and F-4E are equivalent, and Kurnass 2000 is superior to F-104S ASA despite F-104S ASA being faster.
Also noamax, I’ve been developing raw data for the last 2 years… I’ve been involved in over 50 bug reports of supersonic aircraft; I know how to get this data, I know how to do these tests because I took the time to learn.
I use the exact tests real-life militaries use. If you don’t like it, go complain to NATO.
yeah i know the f15c is pretty fast in a strait line but it feels like it hits an acceleration wall at the medium altitudes that the euro and f15e don’t have as much and it can keep up with the rafale but that jets better in every other stat than speed and missiles so its fine, aslo wouldn’t the j10 need to be 14.0 too since it was just as good as the f15c in the previous meta
Both F-15s hit an acceleration wall.
J-10A is equal to Mirage 2000/F-16 in acceleration. All of which are around a minute slower than F-15C minimum difference.
the wall hits at different top speeds tho the f15c slows down a lot at 1800kph at 6000m while the f15E will easily hit 2000+kph at the same altitude in less time, i think the speeds between 5-6000m are the most important since thats kinda the meta alt and that where the f15e starts to gap the f15C and other old jets
Aircraft performance is more than just engines.
I apologize if any of my statements seemed upsetting BTW, we’re both players with our perspectives and I respect yours despite my disagreement.
Listen f15c engines are only better when u are very high and very fast
U right that f15c is better at df but that isnt smt to raise the br for since u dont use that
While f15e has much better acceleration on low speed until 1.8 mach
Also the nerfs for the f15e berly effected on low speed performance
I tell u f15e has more ttw when it stock! So imagine when u spaded
F-15C weighs ~6 tons less while having weaker engines, that’s why it’s equal.
~3 tons from empty weight, ~3 tons from fuel weight.
Plus the fact that F-15E has a generally worse flight model than the F-15C on top of the mass difference.
The TWR is higher, but that doesn’t help it outside of acceleration.
Yak-141 has the best acceleration in the game, it dogfights at best as well as an F-16C due to its design and flight model and is significantly slower in top speed.
Yak-141 is to F-16A what F-15E is to F-15C though the F-16A and Yak-141 have more differences.
It’s okay for slightly different airframe performances to be the same BR.
Mirage 2000 5F and F-16C are the same BR despite the F-16C being better in airframe performance.
